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NHube — 2021-01-17T15:43:27Z

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	+ ------ + ''2021-01-17 10:43:27'' [[nbsp]] IMO - the best area to enter the Broad Street aqueduct would be over by Dinosaur Barbecue. We parked on the Court St. bridge since it was a weekend and parking at a meter was free - you'll see a staircase that leads down under Blue Cross arena - but upon closer inspection, you would need to hop a pretty annoying iron fence to get down into the aqueduct. And then it's a bit of a drop - that fence that someone propped up as a ladder is still there. We managed to hop the fence, but we were in a group helping each other over. I would never attempt it alone unless you're good at parkour, haha. It's pretty dangerous considering if you slip, it's straight down into the river. There's a nice unobstructed metal staircase with railings that leads down from the backside of Dinosaur Barbecue - the gate is almost never locked during the day time, but there is a no trespassing sign. If you're not nimble and looking to stay on the safe side, that staircase is your best friend. Don't have to hop anything. --["Users/NHube"]

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Acebycircle — 2014-08-19T21:54:39Z

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	+ ------ + ''2014-08-19 17:54:39'' [[nbsp]] Went here a few days ago with a small group of friends. There was a large group of people down there already, although they only stayed in the Aqueduct. When we were under Broad St we actually encountered another small group of people down there with their dog, the thing scared the living daylights out of me when it walked up to us. We didn't go all the way because on of our party was starting to panic due to anxiety, although we did get about as far as what could have been just below South Washington St. We actually met up with the people with the dog again above ground when we were following the path in search for where it ended, they were nice enough to point us in the direction of it. While I had assumed the tunnel just ended in darkness, there was a new West Entrance between where W Broad intersects with Allen and Nick Tahou's. The entrance right behind the War Memorial now has a fence leaning up against the wall to be used as a ladder --["Users/Acebycircle"]

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Damiankumor — 2013-10-18T13:36:18Z

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	+ ------ + ''2013-10-18 09:36:18'' [[nbsp]] This subway thing as gone to the hipsters lately --["Users/Damiankumor"]

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LVVQ — 2012-11-28T03:28:11Z

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	+ * [http://lizzquinn.net/rocsubway Roc Subway Photos] A small collection of photos from 2009 - 2012.

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alex-c — 2012-09-22T01:51:54Z

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	+ ------ + ''2012-09-21 21:51:54'' [[nbsp]] Well, 30 years ago, the best place to get in was on the west end, south side of the Broad St. Bridge, down at the park level. Hop up on the stone wall, shimmy past the fence, and climb down into the subway bed. I doubt that access point is still as easy as it used to be to get through, and I doubt that I'm still able to do the contortions needed. --["Users/alex-c"]

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gnova — 2012-09-21T23:27:43Z

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	+ ------ + ''2012-09-21 19:27:43'' [[nbsp]] hey does anyone know if its possible to visit this place i would luv to take some pictures...please let me know.. as i love the view of this place --["Users/gnova"]

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RocExplorer — 2012-06-21T23:29:28Z

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	+ ------ + ''2012-06-21 19:29:28'' [[nbsp]] Rochester's a pretty cool city; the tunnel and the piece of old road above it could be used to create an urban duality much like that of New York's High Line Park project. And, upon some thought and... well, exploration... there are lots of places which could be used to create an above/below park of sorts with shops and the like. I've considered drawing up a proposal to the city but further research would be necessary. --["Users/RocExplorer"]

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peteb — 2011-12-30T00:39:43Z

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- * Private Studies indicate it would cost around $24 million to 'completely repair' it[[FootNote(From the D&C Article)]].	+ * Private Studies indicate it would cost around $24 million to 'completely repair' it [[FootNote(From the D&C Article)]].
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- * Create a new waterway using the old aqueduct - was {{{http://www.rochestercanal.com }}}. - * Found an urban art center in the tunnel, embracing and showcasing the artwork that has naturally been drawn to that location.[[FootNote(Ok, I don't think this is actually a proposal, but it should be. The city really needs to think about offering something with more draw than a transit museum if it actually wants to bring people here. This is exactly the type of thing that would allow us to stand out in a positive way. Who wouldn't want to visit a museum showcasing graffiti in an abandoned subway? -- RobertPolyn)]]	+ * Create a new waterway using the old aqueduct - was {{{[http://www.rochestercanal.com]}}}. + * Found an urban art center in the tunnel, embracing and showcasing the artwork that has naturally been drawn to that location. [[FootNote(Ok, I don't think this is actually a proposal, but it should be. The city really needs to think about offering something with more draw than a transit museum if it actually wants to bring people here. This is exactly the type of thing that would allow us to stand out in a positive way. Who wouldn't want to visit a museum showcasing graffiti in an abandoned subway? -- RobertPolyn)]]
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- * [http://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/2009/10/rochester_takes_bids_to_fill_subway_tunnel/ 2009 Bids for Filling in the Tunnel] on RochesterSubway.com	+ * [http://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/2009/10/rochester_takes_bids_to_fill_subway_tunnel 2009 Bids for Filling in the Tunnel] on RochesterSubway.com

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batguano — 2011-04-09T16:17:06Z

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	+ ------ + ''2011-04-09 12:17:06'' [[nbsp]] It's official: This is THE place for bums to hide! I saw a commercial on the local tellie about it! (Full Disclosure: I've been in here many times and have yet to see a bum.) --["Users/BatGuano"]

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andrew88 — 2011-01-21T14:47:01Z

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- In the fall of 2009 the City was granted funding under the stimulus package. On Monday, February 8, 2010, Broad Street [http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100208/NEWS01/2080307/1002/NEWS was closed between Allen and West Main] to fill in the West Tunnel and repair the road's surface.	+ In the fall of 2009 the City was granted funding under the stimulus package. On Monday, February 8, 2010, Broad Street [http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100208/NEWS01/2080307/1002/NEWS was closed between Allen and West Main] to fill in the West Tunnel and repair the road's surface. The city moved foward with the west section fill of the subway tunnel (near ["Nick Tahou's"]) and the West Tunnel no longer exist and have been "filled in".[[Image(Subway_WE.jpg,"Former West Tunnel Partially Filled - by ["Users/Andrew88"]",right,thumbnail,noborder)]] + [[Image(fill2.jpg,"Remains of The West Tunnel - by ["Users/Andrew88"]",right,thumbnail,noborder)]] +

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andrew88 — 2010-12-13T13:52:28Z

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andrew88 — 2010-12-12T16:43:33Z

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	+ ==West End Fill== + [[Image(Subway_WE.jpg,"Former West Tunnel Partially Filled - by ["Users/Andrew88"]",right,thumbnail,noborder)]] + [[Image(fill2.jpg,"Remains of The West Tunnel - by ["Users/Andrew88"]",right,thumbnail,noborder)]] + In the spring of 2010 the city moved foward with the west section fill of the subway tunnel (near ["Nick Tahou's"]). The West Tunnel no longer exist and have been "filled in" for the West Broad Street improvment.

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andrew88 — 2010-12-12T16:40:50Z

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andrew88 — 2010-12-12T16:34:38Z

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andrew88 — 2010-12-12T16:34:06Z

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batguano — 2010-11-15T23:16:13Z

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	+ ------ + ''2010-11-15 18:16:13'' [[nbsp]] Thumbs up, jondaggar. I believe light rail has a place here, it just needs to be approached using new ideas/approaches. Double thumbs up for the Robert Moses diss, as well. --["Users/BatGuano"]

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jondaggar — 2010-11-15T22:01:26Z

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- ''2010-11-15 16:57:25'' [[nbsp]] "<i>It was a mistake to re-use the canal for transit in the 1920s and it would be a mistake to re-re-use the route for transit in the 21st century.</i>"	+ ''2010-11-15 16:57:25'' [[nbsp]] ''It was a mistake to re-use the canal for transit in the 1920s and it would be a mistake to re-re-use the route for transit in the 21st century.''
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- You realize that 490 runs along the bed of this, ahem, obsolete transit corridor? And that the current tunnel runs straight through the center of the city?	+ Sir, 490 runs along the bed of the old canal corridor. The current tunnel runs straight through the center of the city. I don't see how right-of-ways that through the busiest part of the community can be considered obsolete.

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jondaggar — 2010-11-15T21:57:25Z

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	+ ------ + ''2010-11-15 16:57:25'' [[nbsp]] "<i>It was a mistake to re-use the canal for transit in the 1920s and it would be a mistake to re-re-use the route for transit in the 21st century.</i>" + + You realize that 490 runs along the bed of this, ahem, obsolete transit corridor? And that the current tunnel runs straight through the center of the city? + + Possibly the mistake would be applying Robert Moses' 20th century transit theories to the 21st century. --["Users/jondaggar"]

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andrew88 — 2010-10-13T14:52:08Z

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andrew88 — 2010-10-13T14:50:04Z

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andrew88 — 2010-10-13T14:31:34Z

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andrew88 — 2010-10-13T14:30:03Z

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dawntucker — 2010-07-08T22:23:08Z

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	+ * [http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100708/NEWS01/7080344/1003 West Broad Street work proceeds silently below], ["Democrat & Chronicle"], 2010-07-08. "The work going on now is part of a $17.5 million, two-year project that will either fill the channel and build a new street, or fix the road and what supports it underneath." Also on that D&C page is a panoramic video of the tunnel near South Avenue.

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ReyTucker — 2010-02-08T14:05:09Z

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	+ * [http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100208/NEWS01/2080307/1002/NEWS Part of Broad Street closed to repair road, fill old tunnel], ["Democrat & Chronicle"], 2010-02-08. "The road was built over what had been a subway tunnel, which is no longer used. The tunnel will be filled in between Brown and West Main streets [... and] the tunnel structure will be repaired from West Main to Exchange streets."

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ReyTucker — 2010-02-08T14:00:50Z

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- * {{{ http://www.opacity.us/gallery67.htm}}} - Underground from opacity.us	+ * [http://www.opacity.us/site38_rochester_subway.htm Rochester Subway] photographs by Tom Kirsch, from opacity.us

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ReyTucker — 2010-02-08T13:57:21Z

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- \|\|< ^ width="30%">[[TableOfContents]]\|\|<^>[[BR]]["Rochester"] once had an underground rapid transit system, called the Rochester Subway[[FootNote(Contemporary photos however show that, like Boston's ''Green Line'', it used single streetcar vehicles -- so, using today's terms, it would be considered a light rail system.)]]. It is an incredible experience, an urban exploration opportunity rivaling the offerings of almost any other city[[FootNote(New York City's Freedom Tunnel is for children)]]. As such it has become a popular destination for photographers and thrillseekers, along with being home for a sizable portion of the city's homeless.[[BR]][[BR]]The city is currently studying ways to re-use the former ["Broad Street Aqueduct"] portion, and section beneath the ["Rundel Memorial Library Building"]. Possibilities include an underground walkway with a museum and retail shops, a connection between the Riverside Convention Center and Blue Cross Arena, or restoring the former canal.\|\|<^>[[BR]] [[Image(map.jpg, 254, right, thumbnail,noborder)]]\|\|	+ \|\|< ^ width="30%">[[TableOfContents]]\|\|<^>[[BR]]["Rochester"] once had an underground rapid transit system, called the Rochester Subway[[FootNote(Contemporary photos however show that, like Boston's ''Green Line'', it used single streetcar vehicles -- so, using today's terms, it would be considered a light rail system.)]]. It is an incredible experience, an urban exploration opportunity rivaling the offerings of almost any other city[[FootNote(New York City's Freedom Tunnel is for children)]]. As such it has become a popular destination for photographers and thrill-seekers, along with being home for a sizable portion of the city's homeless.[[BR]][[BR]]The city is currently studying ways to re-use the former ["Broad Street Aqueduct"] portion, and section beneath the ["Rundel Memorial Library Building"]. Possibilities include an underground walkway with a museum and retail shops, a connection between the Riverside Convention Center and Blue Cross Arena, or restoring the former canal.\|\|<^>[[BR]] [[Image(map.jpg, 254, right, thumbnail,noborder)]]\|\|
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- Following the Aqueduct you travel into darkness, natural light disappearing completely. You arrive at a wall with a single small door for yourself to enter through. Having remained in use many years longer than the previous sections, the decay of this section has a unique quality. Originally used for paper delivery for ["Gannett" Gannett News] (now: ["Democrat & Chronicle"]) and later storage, the remaining equipment also lends itself to the different sense of athmosphere this section has. Along the left wall you'll find a loading dock stretching across this space. Traveling through this section of the tunnel you'll arrive at another wall on the far side that allows you to exit through a large garage style opening.	+ Following the Aqueduct you travel into darkness, natural light disappearing completely. You arrive at a wall with a single small door for yourself to enter through. Having remained in use many years longer than the previous sections, the decay of this section has a unique quality. Originally used for paper delivery for ["Gannett" Gannett News] (now: ["Democrat & Chronicle"]) and later storage, the remaining equipment also lends itself to the different sense of atmosphere this section has. Along the left wall you'll find a loading dock stretching across this space. Traveling through this section of the tunnel you'll arrive at another wall on the far side that allows you to exit through a large garage style opening.
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- This section starts with near complete darkness, light only visible coming in through a street level drain. There are fewer noteworthy strutures from this point onward. The tunnel opens to light and fresh air once again near ["Nick Tahou's"]. It is possible to enter and exit at this location, even bring a vehicle into the tunnel. Unlike the Court Street entrance, the original tracks are still in place here.	+ This section starts with near complete darkness, light only visible coming in through a street level drain. There are fewer noteworthy structures from this point onward. The tunnel opens to light and fresh air once again near ["Nick Tahou's"]. It is possible to enter and exit at this location, even bring a vehicle into the tunnel. Unlike the Court Street entrance, the original tracks are still in place here.
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- * Create a new waterway using the old aqueduct - was {{{http://www.rochestercanal.com }}}.	+ * Create a new waterway using the old aqueduct - was {{{http://www.rochestercanal.com }}}.

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ReyTucker — 2010-02-08T13:54:12Z

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- In the fall of 2009 the City was granted funding under the stimulus package and plans and bids are under way to fill in part of the subway.	+ In the fall of 2009 the City was granted funding under the stimulus package. On Monday, February 8, 2010, Broad Street [http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100208/NEWS01/2080307/1002/NEWS was closed between Allen and West Main] to fill in the West Tunnel and repair the road's surface.

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MichaelGovernale — 2010-01-27T23:06:05Z

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- * [http://www.animatustudio.com/subway/index.html "The End of the Line" documentary] - Now available as a Special Edition DVD from Animatus Studio! (Also available on VHS or DVD through the Public Library.)	+ * [http://www.animatusstudio.com/subway/index.html "The End of the Line" documentary] - Now available as a Special Edition DVD from Animatus Studio! (Also available on VHS or DVD through the Public Library.)

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MichaelGovernale — 2010-01-27T23:03:49Z

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- * [http://www.animatusstudio.com/subway/index.html "The End of the Line" documentary] - Now available as a Special Edition DVD from Animatus Studio! (Also available on VHS or DVD through the Public Library.)	+ * [http://www.animatustudio.com/subway/index.html "The End of the Line" documentary] - Now available as a Special Edition DVD from Animatus Studio! (Also available on VHS or DVD through the Public Library.)

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BradMandell — 2009-12-26T12:18:24Z

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- * [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hGDlR6oboE "Walking the Rails" (YouTube)] or [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6739722593682403697&hl=en (Google Video)] A short documentary on exploring the abandoned subway tunnels.	+ * [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hGDlR6oboE "Walking the Rails" (YouTube)] A short documentary on exploring the abandoned subway tunnels.

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BradMandell — 2009-12-26T11:34:12Z

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- Following the Aqueduct you travel into darkness, natural light disappearing completely. You arrive at a wall with a single small door for yourself to enter through. Having remained in use many years longer than the previous sections, the decay of this section has a unique quality. Originally used for paper delivery for ["Gannett News"] (now: ["Democrat & Chronicle"]) and later storage, the remaining equipment also lends itself to the different sense of athmosphere this section has. Along the left wall you'll find a loading dock stretching across this space. Traveling through this section of the tunnel you'll arrive at another wall on the far side that allows you to exit through a large garage style opening.	+ Following the Aqueduct you travel into darkness, natural light disappearing completely. You arrive at a wall with a single small door for yourself to enter through. Having remained in use many years longer than the previous sections, the decay of this section has a unique quality. Originally used for paper delivery for ["Gannett" Gannett News] (now: ["Democrat & Chronicle"]) and later storage, the remaining equipment also lends itself to the different sense of athmosphere this section has. Along the left wall you'll find a loading dock stretching across this space. Traveling through this section of the tunnel you'll arrive at another wall on the far side that allows you to exit through a large garage style opening.
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- ["SECR"] ([http://www.ChillTheFill.org]) is an umbrella group trying to stop this from happening. Among the reasons people have for objecting to this are:	+ The subway was scheduled to be partially filled in with dirt back in 2005 and the ["SECR" Subway Erie Canal Revitalization] (SECR), also known as ''Chill the Fill'', umbrella group tried to stop this from happening. Among the reasons people had for objecting to this were:
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- * It would needlessly destroy property that could otherwise be put to use to benefit the city. The proposed "Broad Street Tunnel Project" will cost the city $21 million dollars to complete. A small fraction of that money could be used to seal off and maintain the tunnel for several years, and there are '''lots''' of things in the city which would be better uses of the $21 million, such as the ["Rochester Schools Problems"].	+ * It would needlessly destroy property that could otherwise be put to use to benefit the city. The proposed "Broad Street Tunnel Project" will cost the city $21 million dollars to complete. A small fraction of that money could be used to seal off and maintain the tunnel for several years, and there are '''lots''' of things in the city which would be better uses of the $21 million, such as the "Rochester Schools Problems".
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- Alternative proposals exist. Among these are: - * A new rapid transit system in Rochester which would use some of the old tunnels; this idea is advocated for by the [http://www.ggw.org/rrtc/ Rochester Rail Transit Committee]. - * [http://www.rochestercanal.com/ Create a new waterway] using the old aqueduct.	+ Alternative proposals raised during the controversy: + * A new rapid transit system in Rochester which would use some of the old tunnels; this idea is advocated for by the [http://www.ggw.org/rrtc/ Rochester Rail Transit Committee] (outdated website). + * Create a new waterway using the old aqueduct - was {{{http://www.rochestercanal.com }}}.
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- * [http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050614/OPINION02/506140315/1039/OPINION Filling in subway would hurt city's past and future], op-ed in the ["Democrat & Chronicle"], 2005-06-14	+ * ''Filling in subway would hurt city's past and future'', op-ed in the ["Democrat & Chronicle"], 2005-06-14

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BradMandell — 2009-12-26T01:20:21Z

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ChrisStone — 2009-12-24T19:13:38Z

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- In 1918 the ["Erie Canal"] was re-routed to by-pass downtown Rochester, and in 1919 the abandoned canal was bought to serve as the core of the subway. The subway was built below, and the subway's roof was turned into ["Broad Street"]. The city grew, but the subway did not. Since most subway traffic is people commuting to work, the subway stopped serving its primary purpose, and it was abandoned. Passenger service ceased June 30, 1956. The western end was still used for freight through the 1970s, and ["Gannett"] used the tunnel for delivery of newsprint.	+ In 1918 the ["Erie Canal"] was re-routed to by-pass downtown Rochester, and in 1919 the abandoned canal was bought to serve as a grade-separated route for the heavy "inter-urban" streetcars that were seen as obstructing surface street traffic. Tracks were laid in the former canal, now a dry open trench. Only in the downtown area was the subway in a tunnel, under ["Broad Street"]. The cars were powered by overhead electric wires, like streetcars (such as current systems in Buffalo and Seattle), not an electrified "thid rail" (such as New York and Toronto). The line opened for passenger traffic in 1927, after several construction delays. + + The Rochester Subway was plagued by limited resources and a transportation and land-use system that already was becoming more and more automobile-oriented. Rochester abandoned all surface streetcars by 1940, leaving the subway as a single line of what had been a much more comprehensive system. While ridership peaked during WWII due to gasoline and rubber rationing, it quickly declined after the war. The region's population was growing, but in an auto-oriented way as new, low density developments sprawled across suburban towns far from the route of the subway, which was never extended. + + In addition, the subway suffered from the meandering, northwest to southeast route that was pre-determined by the route of the old Erie Canal. While this route had advantages for a long-distance canal built in the 1810s and 1820s, it was not necessarily a good route for intra-city transit in the 20th century. Federal funds sought to extend the eastern terminus to Monroe Avenue in Brighton in the 1930s were denied. + + By the late 1940s and early 1950s, plans were developed for the system of high-speed expressways in and around Rochester. The eastern part of the subway route was chosen for a portion of Interstate 490. With declining ridership and governmental policies that supported private automobile over public transportation, there was little resistance to the abandonment of the subway. Passenger service ceased June 30, 1956. + + The western end of the former subway was still used for freight traffic through the 1970s. ["Gannett"] used the tunnel for delivery of newsprint to its downtown facility at Broad Street and Exchange Boulevard until new presses were installed for the ["Democrat and Chronicle"] at Canal Ponds Business Park in the Town of Greece in the late 1990s.

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ChrisStone — 2009-12-24T18:51:33Z

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- In 1900 the ["Erie Canal"] was re-routed to by-pass downtown Rochester, and in 1919 the abandoned canal was bought to serve as the core of the subway. The subway was built below, and the subway's roof was turned into ["Broad Street"]. The city grew, but the subway did not. Since most subway traffic is people commuting to work, the subway stopped serving its primary purpose, and it was abandoned. Passenger service ceased June 30, 1956. The western end was still used for freight through the 1970s, and ["Gannett"] used the tunnel for delivery of newsprint.	+ In 1918 the ["Erie Canal"] was re-routed to by-pass downtown Rochester, and in 1919 the abandoned canal was bought to serve as the core of the subway. The subway was built below, and the subway's roof was turned into ["Broad Street"]. The city grew, but the subway did not. Since most subway traffic is people commuting to work, the subway stopped serving its primary purpose, and it was abandoned. Passenger service ceased June 30, 1956. The western end was still used for freight through the 1970s, and ["Gannett"] used the tunnel for delivery of newsprint.

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	+ ------ + ''2009-12-24 12:47:54'' [[nbsp]] Contrary to previous comments, there IS an urgent need to fill in the tunnel. The tunnel is essentially a long bridge carrying Broad Street over the former railroad tracks and that bridge is over 80 years old and collapsing. Broad Street west/north of Main Street already has lane reductions. Unless the tunnel is filled (or costly repairs made) Broad Street will have to be closed entirely. + + The notion of re-using the tunnels for transit, while popular, is misguided. The route of the former Rochester Subway was dictated by the early 19th century route of the Erie Canal, which was located where it was for reasons of topography. Topography is a poor organizing principal for a high-capacity transity corridor. It was a mistake to re-use the canal for transit in the 1920s and it would be a mistake to re-re-use the route for transit in the 21st century. --["Users/ChrisStone"]

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MichaelGovernale — 2009-11-28T23:46:42Z

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	+ ------ + ''2009-11-28 18:46:42'' [[nbsp]] Yes, the fill is coming this Spring 2010 — at least to the west end of the tunnel. You can read more about it here... http://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/2009/10/rochester_takes_bids_to_fill_subway_tunnel/ --["Users/MichaelGovernale"]

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MichaelGovernale — 2009-11-28T23:43:09Z

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DarrickCol — 2009-08-29T14:31:23Z

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DarrickCol — 2009-08-29T14:28:13Z

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	+ * [http://darrickc.blogspot.com/search/label/Subway Current photos of the abandoned Rochester Subway].

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BradMandell — 2009-07-23T18:01:59Z

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GoldenGirl — 2009-05-07T15:47:17Z

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	+ ------ + ''2009-05-07 11:47:17'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone know when the subway is supposed to be filled in? I'd love to explore it before they do. --["Users/GoldenGirl"]

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CorganaSmith — 2009-04-15T03:34:43Z

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batguano — 2009-02-17T17:27:36Z

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- ''2008-12-10 12:26:59'' [[nbsp]] I've been down in the tunnel for work purposes (investigating parts of the tunnel that are deteriorating) and even though it's dark, dank, decrepit and dirty down there, it speaks to many possibilities, one being a revived light-rail system. Of course, the cost of such a system makes the idea of it being constructed nearly laughable. Rochester doesn't have the population or the money to justify a new light rail system. Maybe if President Obama has his way, we'll be able to do something like that in Rochester... But I doubt it. So in the meantime, I'd leave the tunnel for the bums, graffiti artists, paintball players and fearless citizens. There is no urgent need to fill it in, therefore, use that money elsewhere.. maybe start planning a light rail system? Pshaw right. --["Users/JesseGotham"]	+ ''2008-12-10 12:26:59'' [[nbsp]] I've been down in the tunnel for work purposes (investigating parts of the tunnel that are deteriorating) and even though it's dark, dank, decrepit and dirty down there, it speaks to many possibilities, one being a revived light-rail system. Of course, the cost of such a system makes the idea of it being constructed nearly laughable. Rochester doesn't have the population or the money to justify a new light rail system. Maybe if President Obama has his way, we'll be able to do something like that in Rochester... But I doubt it. So in the meantime, I'd leave the tunnel for the bums, graffiti artists, paintball players and fearless citizens. There is no urgent need to fill it in, therefore, use that money elsewhere.. maybe start planning a light rail system? Pshaw right. --["Users/BatGuano"]

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	+ ------ + ''2008-12-10 12:26:59'' [[nbsp]] I've been down in the tunnel for work purposes (investigating parts of the tunnel that are deteriorating) and even though it's dark, dank, decrepit and dirty down there, it speaks to many possibilities, one being a revived light-rail system. Of course, the cost of such a system makes the idea of it being constructed nearly laughable. Rochester doesn't have the population or the money to justify a new light rail system. Maybe if President Obama has his way, we'll be able to do something like that in Rochester... But I doubt it. So in the meantime, I'd leave the tunnel for the bums, graffiti artists, paintball players and fearless citizens. There is no urgent need to fill it in, therefore, use that money elsewhere.. maybe start planning a light rail system? Pshaw right. --["Users/JesseGotham"]

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AndrewAnissi — 2008-10-15T20:16:32Z

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- * The homeless currently residing in the subway would be displaced. Our city currently has no emergency ["Hypothermia Shelter"].	+ * If Rochester is ever to grow, it will eventually need a subway system again, and filling in the existing tunnels would make it much more difficult to install a new subway system. The existing tunnels could make a new subway system fairly easy to construct.

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MichaelGovernale — 2008-10-11T03:17:20Z

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PhilNg — 2008-09-01T19:56:01Z

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	+ ------ + ''2008-09-01 15:56:01'' [[nbsp]] Now one might wonder where all the track went - it was scavenged and is now being used as the main track in the New York Museum of Transportation. --["Users/PhilNg"]

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BradMandell — 2008-08-10T11:53:13Z

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MichaelGovernale — 2008-08-05T15:43:49Z

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CorganaSmith — 2008-07-16T15:37:25Z

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- * [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6739722593682403697&hl=en "Walking the Rails" (Google Video)] or [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hGDlR6oboE (YouTube)] A short documentary on exploring the abandoned subway tunnels.	+ * [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hGDlR6oboE "Walking the Rails" (YouTube)] or [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6739722593682403697&hl=en (Google Video)] A short documentary on exploring the abandoned subway tunnels.

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ReyTucker — 2008-06-18T21:13:36Z

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	+ * [http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wxxi/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1297310&sectionID=1 Rochester Wants to Fill Part of Erie Canal Bed], ["WXXI"], 2008-06-11. "The City of Rochester says it will have to close one of the four lanes on West Broad Street this month, and the fix is to fill in the abandoned subway tunnel that lies beneath it."

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ChristopherMoshier — 2007-10-13T15:57:29Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-10-13 11:57:29'' [[nbsp]] "It would needlessly destroy property that could otherwise be put to use to benefit the city. The proposed "Broad Street Tunnel Project" will cost the city $21 million dollars to complete. A small fraction of that money could be used to seal off and maintain the tunnel for several years, and there are lots of things in the city which would be better uses of the $21 million, such as the Rochester Schools Problems." + + That's a silly statement after the whole fast fairy nightmare. Why wasn’t that money spent on City Schools? --["ChristopherMoshier"]

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IdSaysgo — 2007-09-20T17:40:53Z

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IdSaysgo — 2007-09-20T17:40:25Z

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LesleyChen — 2007-08-15T15:04:08Z

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alexandergartley — 2007-07-25T19:32:41Z

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eastsidestephen — 2007-03-08T20:59:03Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-03-08 15:59:03'' [[nbsp]] The End of the Line is a really fascinating DVD if you're into Rochester history. It gives an interesting view of our fair city during the time the subway was in service. --["EastSideStephen"]

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eastsidestephen — 2007-03-08T20:49:11Z

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adamdewitz — 2007-01-31T18:24:24Z

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- Beyond the chainlink fence bordering ["South Avenue" South Ave] lies an easy entrance to the subway. This location is found directly behind (and beneath) ["Dinosaur Bar-B-Que"]. From the safety of the sidewalk, you will be able catch a breathtaking view of this crumbling and overgrown entryway. Along the right wall is a small building that has been thoroughly ravaged by time and vandalism. ["Graffiti"] also appears along this wall. Entering here will take you beneath ["Court Street"].	+ Beyond the chain-link fence bordering ["South Avenue" South Ave] lies an easy entrance to the subway. This location is found directly behind (and beneath) ["Dinosaur Bar-B-Que"]. From the safety of the sidewalk, you will be able catch a breathtaking view of this crumbling and overgrown entryway. Along the right wall is a small building that has been thoroughly ravaged by time and vandalism. ["Graffiti"] also appears along this wall. Entering here will take you beneath ["Court Street"].
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FarMcKon — 2006-09-02T00:58:25Z

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TomMaszerowski — 2006-04-16T22:33:59Z

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TomMaszerowski — 2006-04-16T22:32:17Z

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TomMaszerowski — 2006-04-16T22:26:30Z

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TomMaszerowski — 2006-01-22T20:06:30Z

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TomMaszerowski — 2006-01-21T23:04:33Z

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TomMaszerowski — 2006-01-21T22:53:25Z

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TomMaszerowski — 2005-12-26T18:55:49Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-12-15T14:46:58Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-11-28T19:46:33Z

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rottenchester — 2005-11-28T17:03:48Z

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FarMcKon — 2005-11-10T23:22:03Z

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MikeBoas — 2005-10-10T19:02:16Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-08-17T22:51:50Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-08-17T22:47:54Z

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TomMaszerowski — 2005-08-16T22:40:50Z

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JayUnnikrishnan — 2005-08-14T19:46:27Z

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JayUnnikrishnan — 2005-08-14T19:44:01Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-07-22T17:43:21Z

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- The abandoned subway is without a doubt one of the creepiest and coolest places Ive ever been. Check out its [http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/~rochhist/v36_1974/v36i2.pdf history], which has a map at the end. We entered from where the southwest side of the Broad St. Bridge meets the riverbank. Make sure to bring a flashlight and announce when you move from room to room. -- ["BretteLuck"]

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KristinPerrah — 2005-07-22T15:23:41Z

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TobinFricke — 2005-06-15T18:45:28Z

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	+ == In the Media == + * [http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050614/OPINION02/506140315/1039/OPINION Filling in subway would hurt city's past and future], op-ed in the ["Democrat & Chronicle"], 2005-06-14 +

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StephanMokey — 2005-06-13T15:34:51Z

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- * Rumor has it this project is just a 'gimme' to the highway and construction lobby to keep their workforce employed somewhere during the winter, since the upstate economy is bad. These rumors, to my knowledge, are unsubstinated.	+ * Rumor has it this project is just a 'gimme' to the highway and construction lobby to keep their workforce employed somewhere during the winter, since the upstate economy is bad. These rumors, to my knowledge, are unsubstantiated.

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JackCalcines — 2005-06-12T19:01:51Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-06-06T17:51:18Z

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JackCalcines — 2005-06-04T18:29:30Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-31T20:56:31Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-05-30T15:38:15Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-05-29T17:04:54Z

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- * Found an urban art center in the tunnel, embracing and showcasing the artwork that has naturally been drawn to that location.[[FootNote(Ok, I don't think this is actually a proposal, but it should be. The city really needs to think about offering something with more draw than a transit museum if it actually wants to bring people into our city. This is exactly the type of thing that would allow us to stand out in a positive way. Who wouldn't want to visit a museum showcasing graffiti in an abandoned subway? -- RobertPolyn)]]	+ * Found an urban art center in the tunnel, embracing and showcasing the artwork that has naturally been drawn to that location.[[FootNote(Ok, I don't think this is actually a proposal, but it should be. The city really needs to think about offering something with more draw than a transit museum if it actually wants to bring people here. This is exactly the type of thing that would allow us to stand out in a positive way. Who wouldn't want to visit a museum showcasing graffiti in an abandoned subway? -- RobertPolyn)]]

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RobertPolyn — 2005-05-29T17:03:34Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-29T16:09:48Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-05-29T15:13:53Z

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FarMcKon — 2005-05-29T13:15:38Z

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- * It would needlessly destroy property that could otherwise be put to use to benefit the city. Funds don't currently exist to redevelop the subway, but the money being used to fill it could easily be used to maintain it for several years while funds are sought.	+ * It would needlessly destroy property that could otherwise be put to use to benefit the city. The proposed "Broad Street Tunnel Project" will cost the city $21 million dollars to complete. A small fraction of that money could be used to seal off and maintain the tunnel for several years, and there are '''lots''' of things in the city which would be better uses of the $21 million, such as the ["Rochester Schools Problems"]. + * Private Studies indicate it would cost around $24 million to 'completely repair' it[[FootNote(From the D&C Article)]]. + * Rumor has it this project is just a 'gimme' to the highway and construction lobby to keep their workforce employed somewhere during the winter, since the upstate economy is bad. These rumors, to my knowledge, are unsubstinated.

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RobertPolyn — 2005-05-29T02:34:00Z

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- == Sections ==	+ == Layout ==