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BradMandell — 2009-12-26T01:35:46Z

update this very old outdated page and fix PeteB's email error

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- '''Subway Erie Canal Revitalization''' ''Chill the Fill''	+ '''Subway Erie Canal Revitalization (SECR)''' AKA ''Chill the Fill'' was a local grassroots organization formed to try to stop Rochester's Historic Subway/Canal from being buried. They were seeking a moratorium, until the community could come to a consensus about how best to recycle the site.
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- The subway was built in the original Erie Canal bed after the Canal was rerouted out of Downtown Rochester. [[BR]] - This is an amazing piece of history that every Rochesterian should see.[[BR]]	+ '''See''': + * The thorough and awesome Rochester Wiki page: ["Abandoned Subway"] + * [http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/~rochhist/v36_1974/v36i2.pdf The Rochester Subway; Experiment in Municipal Transit] (PDF) by Andrew Lipman
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- Time is quickly running out![[BR]] - - In December, the City will spend $21 million to fill the subway with dirt![[BR]] - - S.E.C.R. is a local grassroots organization formed to try to stop Rochester's Historic Subway/Canal from being buried. We are seeking a moratorium, until the community can come to a consensus about how best to recycle the site. [[BR]] - - For more information, upcoming tours & events or to find out how you can get involved please contact[[BR]] - - Kristin Perrah-Lewis[[BR]] - [[MailTo(info AT chillthefull DOT org)]][[BR]] - (585) 436-7989[[BR]] - [http://www.chillthefill.org/][[BR]] - - Volunteer to help save Rochester's Historic Subway.[[BR]] - Take a tour and see it for yourself! Bring your voice, ideas and a friend or 10![[BR]] - We need your help![[BR]] - - - '''Upcoming Events:''' - - ''Saturday, July 30th, 4 p.m.''[[BR]] - '''Family Tour'''[[BR]] - Nick Tahous back parking lot[[BR]] - 320 W Main Street[[BR]] - (corner of Main & Broad)[[BR]] - Please wear good walking shoes. [[BR]] - Cameras are encouraged[[BR]] - - July 21st is an important City Council Working Session! '''The Subway is the Topic!''' Please make arrangements to attend the Working Session which is OPEN to the PUBLIC from 5:45 pm to 7 pm. - - - '''More information:'''[[BR]] - - The thorough and awesome wiki page: ["Abandoned Subway"] - - The Rochester Subway; Experiment in Municipal Transit by Andrew Lipman: [http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/~rochhist/v36_1974/v36i2.pdf][[BR]] -	+ ==Old Outdated Info== + The website has been down since 2006 + * The subway was built in the original Erie Canal bed after the Canal was rerouted out of Downtown Rochester. [[BR]] + * This is an amazing piece of history that every Rochesterian should see.[[BR]] + * Time is quickly running out![[BR]] + * In December, the City will spend $21 million to fill the subway with dirt![[BR]] + * For more information, upcoming tours & events or to find out how you can get involved please contact[[BR]] + * Kristin Perrah-Lewis - {{{ info@chillthefill.org}}} - (585) 436-7989[[BR]] + * {{{ http://www.chillthefill.org/ }}} + * Volunteer to help save Rochester's Historic Subway. + * Take a tour and see it for yourself! Bring your voice, ideas and a friend or 10! + * We need your help![[BR]] + ''Saturday, July 30th, 4 p.m.'' - '''Family Tour''' - Nick Tahous back parking lot. Please wear good walking shoes. Cameras are encouraged + July 21st is an important City Council Working Session! '''The Subway is the Topic!''' Please make arrangements to attend the Working Session which is OPEN to the PUBLIC from 5:45 pm to 7 pm.

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peteb — 2009-07-23T03:51:33Z

despamified the email addy

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DaveMahon — 2008-10-11T03:13:57Z

and I should have previewed (mea culpa)

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- ''2008-10-10 23:09:59'' [[nbsp]] I'm all for doing something with the Aqueduct. Anything! A restored subway line would be sweet. Look at this ["http://rochestersubway.com/rochester_subway_poster_2008.php" subway map]. Shows the original line and a few others that never happened. --["Users/MichaelGovernale"]	+ ''2008-10-10 23:09:59'' [[nbsp]] I'm all for doing something with the Aqueduct. Anything! A restored subway line would be sweet. Look at this [http://rochestersubway.com/rochester_subway_poster_2008.php subway map]. Shows the original line and a few others that never happened. --["Users/MichaelGovernale"]

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DaveMahon — 2008-10-11T03:13:16Z

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MichaelGovernale — 2008-10-11T03:09:59Z

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	+ ------ + ''2008-10-10 23:09:59'' [[nbsp]] I'm all for doing something with the Aqueduct. Anything! A restored subway line would be sweet. Look at this <a href="http://rochestersubway.com/rochester_subway_poster_2008.php">subway map</a>. Shows the original line and a few others that never happened. --["Users/MichaelGovernale"]

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HeatherYager — 2006-06-24T16:15:12Z

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	+ ------ + ''2006-06-24 09:15:12'' [[nbsp]] what ever happened to this group? web updates petered out around august 05 and now there is a new group: "Advocates for the Development of Rochester's Canal" listed in D&C article --["HeatherYager"]

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BretteLuck — 2005-07-22T17:41:49Z

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KristinPerrah — 2005-07-22T16:15:54Z

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- ''2005-07-22 09:13:07'' [[nbsp]] You can get on our mailing list by going here: http://mail.chillthefill.org/mailman/listinfo/newsletters_chillthefill.org">--["KristinPerrah"]	+ ''2005-07-22 09:13:07'' [[nbsp]] You can get on our mailing list by going here: http://mail.chillthefill.org/mailman/listinfo/newsletters_chillthefill.org --["KristinPerrah"]

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KristinPerrah — 2005-07-22T16:14:27Z

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- ''2005-07-22 09:13:07'' [[nbsp]] You can get on our mailing list by going <a href="http://mail.chillthefill.org/mailman/listinfo/newsletters_chillthefill.org">here.</a> --["KristinPerrah"]	+ ''2005-07-22 09:13:07'' [[nbsp]] You can get on our mailing list by going here: http://mail.chillthefill.org/mailman/listinfo/newsletters_chillthefill.org">--["KristinPerrah"]

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KristinPerrah — 2005-07-22T16:13:07Z

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	+ ------ + ''2005-07-22 09:13:07'' [[nbsp]] You can get on our mailing list by going <a href="http://mail.chillthefill.org/mailman/listinfo/newsletters_chillthefill.org">here.</a> --["KristinPerrah"]

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KristinPerrah — 2005-07-22T15:27:27Z

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- Tuesday, May 31, 5:30p.m until 8:00 p.m.[[BR]] - SoHo East (the formerly Tonic's on East Avenue near Alexander)[[BR]] - Informal gathering with City Council members [[BR]] - - ''Sunday, June 5, 4 p.m.''[[BR]]	+ ''Saturday, July 30th, 4 p.m.''[[BR]]
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AdamDurand — 2005-07-20T18:00:26Z

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TobinFricke — 2005-06-06T23:08:13Z

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	+ ------ + ''2005-06-06 19:08:13'' [[nbsp]] Do you guys have a mailing list or something? How am I supposed to find out about events? --["TobinFricke"]

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FarMcKon — 2005-06-06T22:31:11Z

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	+ ------ + ''2005-06-06 18:31:11'' [[nbsp]] chill the fill is the worst slogan evar. --["FarMcKon"]

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HeatherYager — 2005-06-06T17:41:27Z

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	+ ------ + ''2005-06-06 13:41:27'' [[nbsp]] quick note for SECR folks: the redirect page redirects to itself instead of to the index --["HeatherYager"]

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HeatherYager — 2005-06-06T17:40:58Z

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HeatherYager — 2005-06-06T17:39:33Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-06-06T17:37:54Z

Revert to version dated 2005-06-06 12:30:10.

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- http://frontiernet.net/~secr/	+ The subway was built in the original Erie Canal bed after the Canal was rerouted out of Downtown Rochester. [[BR]] + This is an amazing piece of history that every Rochesterian should see.[[BR]] + + Time is quickly running out![[BR]] + + In December, the City will spend $21 million to fill the subway with dirt![[BR]]
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- ...gah! endless redirect! above page redirects to itself instead of to actual page: http://www.frontiernet.net/~secr/index.cgi - -heather	+ S.E.C.R. is a local grassroots organization formed to try to stop Rochester's Historic Subway/Canal from being buried. We are seeking a moratorium, until the community can come to a consensus about how best to recycle the site. [[BR]] + + For more information, upcoming tours & events or to find out how you can get involved please contact[[BR]] + + Kristin Perrah-Lewis[[BR]] + secr@frontiernet.net[[BR]] + (585) 436-7989[[BR]] + [http://frontiernet.net/~secr/][[BR]] + + Volunteer to help save Rochester's Historic Subway.[[BR]] + Take a tour and see it for yourself! Bring your voice, ideas and a friend or 10![[BR]] + We need your help![[BR]] + + + '''Upcoming Events:''' + + Tuesday, May 31, 5:30p.m until 8:00 p.m.[[BR]] + SoHo East (the formerly Tonic's on East Avenue near Alexander)[[BR]] + Informal gathering with City Council members [[BR]] + + ''Sunday, June 5, 4 p.m.''[[BR]] + '''Family Tour'''[[BR]] + Nick Tahous back parking lot[[BR]] + 320 W Main Street[[BR]] + (corner of Main & Broad)[[BR]] + Please bring a flashlight & good walking shoes. [[BR]] + Cameras are encouraged[[BR]] + + + '''More information:'''[[BR]] + + The thorough and awesome wiki page: ["Abandoned Subway"] + + The Rochester Subway; Experiment in Municipal Transit by Andrew Lipman: [http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/~rochhist/v36_1974/v36i2.pdf][[BR]] + + ["An essay about the subway"] by Brette Luck[[BR]] + + + [[Comments]] + ------ + ''2005-05-27 11:35:42'' [[nbsp]] Is this group opposed to the ["Aqueduct Project"]? --["RobertPolyn"] + ------ + ''2005-05-27 17:55:33'' [[nbsp]] This group includes them, and like 4 other groups with differnet plans. --["FarMcKon"]

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HeatherYager — 2005-06-06T17:37:03Z

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HeatherYager — 2005-06-06T17:36:16Z

endless redirect problem?

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TobinFricke — 2005-06-06T17:21:03Z

That doesn't mean you delete the wiki page.

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- The subway was built in the original Erie Canal bed after the Canal was rerouted out of Downtown Rochester. [[BR]] - This is an amazing piece of history that every Rochesterian should see.[[BR]] - - Time is quickly running out![[BR]] - - In December, the City will spend $21 million to fill the subway with dirt![[BR]] - - S.E.C.R. is a local grassroots organization formed to try to stop Rochester's Historic Subway/Canal from being buried. We are seeking a moratorium, until the community can come to a consensus about how best to recycle the site. [[BR]] - - For more information, upcoming tours & events or to find out how you can get involved please contact[[BR]] - - Kristin Perrah-Lewis[[BR]] - secr@frontiernet.net[[BR]] - (585) 436-7989[[BR]] - [http://frontiernet.net/~secr/][[BR]] - - Volunteer to help save Rochester's Historic Subway.[[BR]] - Take a tour and see it for yourself! Bring your voice, ideas and a friend or 10![[BR]] - We need your help![[BR]] - - - '''Upcoming Events:''' - - Tuesday, May 31, 5:30p.m until 8:00 p.m.[[BR]] - SoHo East (the formerly Tonic's on East Avenue near Alexander)[[BR]] - Informal gathering with City Council members [[BR]] - - ''Sunday, June 5, 4 p.m.''[[BR]] - '''Family Tour'''[[BR]] - Nick Tahous back parking lot[[BR]] - 320 W Main Street[[BR]] - (corner of Main & Broad)[[BR]] - Please bring a flashlight & good walking shoes. [[BR]] - Cameras are encouraged[[BR]] - - - '''More information:'''[[BR]] - - The thorough and awesome wiki page: ["Abandoned Subway"] - - The Rochester Subway; Experiment in Municipal Transit by Andrew Lipman: [http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/~rochhist/v36_1974/v36i2.pdf][[BR]] - - ["An essay about the subway"] by Brette Luck[[BR]] - - - [[Comments]] - ------ - ''2005-05-27 11:35:42'' [[nbsp]] Is this group opposed to the ["Aqueduct Project"]? --["RobertPolyn"] - ------ - ''2005-05-27 17:55:33'' [[nbsp]] This group includes them, and like 4 other groups with differnet plans. --["FarMcKon"]	+ http://frontiernet.net/~secr/

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AdamLynch — 2005-06-06T16:30:10Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-30T13:47:39Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-29T17:03:59Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-29T16:12:34Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-29T16:12:11Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-29T16:11:44Z

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FarMcKon — 2005-05-27T21:55:33Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-27T21:54:41Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-05-27T18:35:42Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-05-27T18:33:49Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-27T18:24:42Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-27T13:33:07Z

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- SECR is group of concerned citizens who want to stop the city from filling the subway tunnel with dirt.	+ The subway was built in the original Erie Canal bed after the Canal was rerouted out of Downtown Rochester. + This is an amazing piece of history that every Rochesterian should see. + + Time is quickly running out! + + In December, the City will spend $21 million to fill the subway with dirt!
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- '''Upcoming events:'''	+ S.E.C.R. is a local grassroots organization formed to try to stop Rochester's Historic Subway/Canal from being buried. We are seeking a moratorium, until the community can come to a consensus about how best to recycle the site. + + For more information, upcoming tours & events or to find out how you can get involved please contact + + Kristin Perrah-Lewis + Perrahdise@Frontiernet.net + (585) 436-7989 + + Volunteer to help save Rochester's Historic Subway. + Take a tour and see it for yourself! Bring your voice, ideas and a friend or 10! + We need your help!
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- '''Tour''' - - bring your own flashlight and anything else you might want to have. We will hang out in the tunnel for a while and then head to a bar or someone's home.	+ '''Adult Tour''' + Nick Tahous back parking lot + 320 W Main Street + (corner of Main & Broad) + Please bring a flashlight & good walking shoes. + Cameras are encouraged + + ''Sunday, June 5, 4 p.m.'' + '''Family Tour''' + Nick Tahous back parking lot + 320 W Main Street + (corner of Main & Broad) + Please bring a flashlight & good walking shoes. + Cameras are encouraged + + + '''More information:''' + + The Rochester Subway; Experiment in Municipal Transit by Andrew Lipman: [http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/~rochhist/v36_1974/v36i2.pdf]

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-27T13:23:42Z

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- '''An essay about the subway''' by Brette Luck - - When discussing establishments here in Rochester, my friend, Tobin, - always asks, "Abandoned or pre-abandoned?" Rochester has more than - its share of abandoned structures including an abandoned psychiatric - hospital, as well as an abandoned regular hospital, an abandoned - subway, abandoned water towers, and the run of the mill abandoned - warehouses, office buildings and homes. Each of these abandoned - structures can be explained away by looking at how urban public policy - in America has favored sprawl over continued investment in the urban - core for nearly half a century. And, while I'd prefer to have - functioning buildings here, all of the abandoned structures in this - city are a pleasure to explore. - - My favorite abandoned structure, though, is the subway. It has a hold - on me that the others don't. I can't quite figure out way. Maybe I - find its uniqueness captivating how many cites have abandoned - subways? Maybe I'm drawn to its vastness, because the tunnel itself - is much larger than I expected it to be. Maybe I like its - subterranean secrecy or its complex history. Regardless of source of - my fascination, I am very sad that Rochester will soon be filling my - most beloved of its abandoned structures with dirt. - - Part of what is now the abandoned subway was originally a section of - the Erie Canal that went over the Genesee River in downtown Rochester. - When the Erie Canal was rerouted to go south of the city in the early - 1920's, Rochester debated on whether to use the remaining structure - for public transit or public roads. At this time, automobiles were seen - as rich men's toys and street cars were ubiquitous. The city decided - to do both and built a double-decker road with the lower part for a - subway and the upper part for cars. Then, at great expense, they dug a - tunnel underneath the city that connected the lower part to street - cars and larger rail. - - The history of the street car and passenger rail systems in Rochester - is similar to that of many US cities buses replaced street cars and - highways replaced longer distance trains. Without the street car or - passenger rail service, the subway became much less useful and closed - in 1956. Since then, as far as I can tell, the remains are just there - to be explored by people who love abandoned structures. - - The easiest way into the abandoned subway is the double-decker road - that used to be part of the Erie Canal. Arches connect the lower - level, where the subway used to run, to the upper level, where cars - still drive. Entering here, one can either walk east, under broad - street, to what I presume was the most ornate station on the line, or - west under the city for about a mile. - - I always go east first, where the arches let in light. I take my time - admiring the subway remains and the graffiti while building up the - courage to go into the tunnel. When I've satiated my desire to see - the stairs leading nowhere and ripped up tracks, I retrace my steps to - the tunnel entrance emboldened, but with a racing heart. The tunnel - itself is much what one would expect from an abandoned subway tunnel - pitch black and scary. - - Walls separate the tunnel into large, dark, rooms. The first room has - a steam contraption that makes a loud clanking sound. These irregular - clanks are the only sound I hear aside from my own footsteps in the - gravel. I always have to find the steam contraption and shine my - flashlight on it to remind myself that the sound isn't a homicidal - robot out to get me. - - Moving from room to room, the posts, which hold up the street and - buildings above me, change shape and material. Some of the concrete - posts are round columns with smooth capitals while other resemble the - posts holding up freeway ramps. Of course, many are metal I-beams. I - remember learning how those are very structurally sound in a - mechanical engineering class I took a long time ago and wonder about the - practicality of filling the subway with dirt. Will the dirt be - structurally sound? Are they going to pack it in really tightly? Are - there dirt-packing machines somewhere? If so, what do they look like? - - Also, where is the dirt going to come from? We're talking about a lot - of dirt here. The tunnel is at least a mile long and very wide. - Standing close to one sidewall and shinning my flashlight across the - width of the tunnel, the light dies before reaching the other side. - Thousands of truckloads of dirt are going to be needed to fill this tunnel. - - Filling this subway tunnel with dirt is going to be a lot of work and - I can't help but think, "There must be a better use for this tunnel. - What if one day we have a light rail? Won't a tunnel under the city - be useful then?" - - Somewhere between wondering about the process of actually filling this - tunnel with dirt and dreaming up better public uses for this space, I - realize why I am so drawn to this tunnel -- it represents the - intersection of technology and public good and thus, reflects the - intersection of my engineering self and my idealistic self. Public - works projects, even abandoned ones, represent technology trying to - better people's lives. This is why I get so excited about seeing - aqueducts that no longer transport water, why I take side trips on - vacations to see hydroelectric dams, why I literally and figuratively - dream of visiting that long bridge connecting Denmark and Sweden, why - I get excited to ride light rail, commuter trains and ferries, and why - I love all bridges, and tunnels and even roads -- I am a public works - geek. That is why, I'm so attached to this space and why I feel that, - if can't be used for actual greater good, it should be used to - represent that idea, like crumbling aqueducts do.	+ ["An essay about the subway"] by Brette Luck

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-27T12:54:47Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-27T12:54:02Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-27T12:51:06Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-26T20:22:40Z

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	+ + '''An essay about the subway''' by Brette Luck + + When discussing establishments here in Rochester, my friend, Tobin, + always asks, "Abandoned or pre-abandoned?" Rochester has more than + its share of abandoned structures including an abandoned psychiatric + hospital, as well as an abandoned regular hospital, an abandoned + subway, abandoned water towers, and the run of the mill abandoned + warehouses, office buildings and homes. Each of these abandoned + structures can be explained away by looking at how urban public policy + in America has favored sprawl over continued investment in the urban + core for nearly half a century. And, while I'd prefer to have + functioning buildings here, all of the abandoned structures in this + city are a pleasure to explore. + + My favorite abandoned structure, though, is the subway. It has a hold + on me that the others don't. I can't quite figure out way. Maybe I + find its uniqueness captivating how many cites have abandoned + subways? Maybe I'm drawn to its vastness, because the tunnel itself + is much larger than I expected it to be. Maybe I like its + subterranean secrecy or its complex history. Regardless of source of + my fascination, I am very sad that Rochester will soon be filling my + most beloved of its abandoned structures with dirt. + + Part of what is now the abandoned subway was originally a section of + the Erie Canal that went over the Genesee River in downtown Rochester. + When the Erie Canal was rerouted to go south of the city in the early + 1920's, Rochester debated on whether to use the remaining structure + for public transit or public roads. At this time, automobiles were seen + as rich men's toys and street cars were ubiquitous. The city decided + to do both and built a double-decker road with the lower part for a + subway and the upper part for cars. Then, at great expense, they dug a + tunnel underneath the city that connected the lower part to street + cars and larger rail. + + The history of the street car and passenger rail systems in Rochester + is similar to that of many US cities buses replaced street cars and + highways replaced longer distance trains. Without the street car or + passenger rail service, the subway became much less useful and closed + in 1956. Since then, as far as I can tell, the remains are just there + to be explored by people who love abandoned structures. + + The easiest way into the abandoned subway is the double-decker road + that used to be part of the Erie Canal. Arches connect the lower + level, where the subway used to run, to the upper level, where cars + still drive. Entering here, one can either walk east, under broad + street, to what I presume was the most ornate station on the line, or + west under the city for about a mile. + + I always go east first, where the arches let in light. I take my time + admiring the subway remains and the graffiti while building up the + courage to go into the tunnel. When I've satiated my desire to see + the stairs leading nowhere and ripped up tracks, I retrace my steps to + the tunnel entrance emboldened, but with a racing heart. The tunnel + itself is much what one would expect from an abandoned subway tunnel + pitch black and scary. + + Walls separate the tunnel into large, dark, rooms. The first room has + a steam contraption that makes a loud clanking sound. These irregular + clanks are the only sound I hear aside from my own footsteps in the + gravel. I always have to find the steam contraption and shine my + flashlight on it to remind myself that the sound isn't a homicidal + robot out to get me. + + Moving from room to room, the posts, which hold up the street and + buildings above me, change shape and material. Some of the concrete + posts are round columns with smooth capitals while other resemble the + posts holding up freeway ramps. Of course, many are metal I-beams. I + remember learning how those are very structurally sound in a + mechanical engineering class I took a long time ago and wonder about the + practicality of filling the subway with dirt. Will the dirt be + structurally sound? Are they going to pack it in really tightly? Are + there dirt-packing machines somewhere? If so, what do they look like? + + Also, where is the dirt going to come from? We're talking about a lot + of dirt here. The tunnel is at least a mile long and very wide. + Standing close to one sidewall and shinning my flashlight across the + width of the tunnel, the light dies before reaching the other side. + Thousands of truckloads of dirt are going to be needed to fill this tunnel. + + Filling this subway tunnel with dirt is going to be a lot of work and + I can't help but think, "There must be a better use for this tunnel. + What if one day we have a light rail? Won't a tunnel under the city + be useful then?" + + Somewhere between wondering about the process of actually filling this + tunnel with dirt and dreaming up better public uses for this space, I + realize why I am so drawn to this tunnel -- it is represents the + intersection of technology and public good and thus, reflects the + intersection of my engineering self and my idealistic self. Public + works projects, even abandoned ones, represent technology trying to + better people's lives. This is why I get so excited about seeing + aqueducts that no longer transport water, why I take side trips on + vacations to see hydroelectric dams, why I literally and figuratively + dream of visiting that long bridge connecting Denmark and Sweden, why + I get excited to ride light rail, commuter trains and ferries, and why + I love all bridges, and tunnels and even roads -- I am a public works + geek. That is why, I'm so attached to this space and why I feel that, + if can't be used for actual greater good, it should be used to + represent that idea, like crumbling aqueducts do.

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-26T11:37:11Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-26T11:36:45Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-26T11:35:59Z

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- Bring your own flashlight and anything else you might want to have. We will hang out in the tunnel for a while and then head to a bar or someone's home.	+ - bring your own flashlight and anything else you might want to have. We will hang out in the tunnel for a while and then head to a bar or someone's home.

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-26T11:34:59Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-26T11:34:34Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-26T11:33:40Z

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- Bring your own flashlight and anything else you might want to have. We will hang out in the tunnel for a while and then head to a bar or someone's home.}}}	+ Bring your own flashlight and anything else you might want to have. We will hang out in the tunnel for a while and then head to a bar or someone's home.

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-26T11:33:14Z

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BretteLuck — 2005-05-26T11:32:37Z

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	+ '''Subway Erie Canal Revitalization''' ''chill the fill'' + + SECR is group of concerned citizens who want to stop the city from filling the subway tunnel with dirt. + + Upcoming events: + + Tour + Sunday, May 29, 9 p.m. + Bring your own flashlight and anything else you might want to have. We will hang out in the tunnel for a while and then head to a bar or someone's home.