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BradMandell — 2009-03-21T15:12:09Z

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ReyTucker — 2008-11-27T14:50:00Z

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- ''2007-04-23 22:02:33'' [[nbsp]] I had 3 people totally not involved with rocwiki look at it here and they like the original format John. It looked really scattered the way you changed it dude. --["PeterBoulay"]	+ ''2007-04-23 22:02:33'' [[nbsp]] I had 3 people totally not involved with rocwiki look at it here and they like the original format John. It looked really scattered the way you changed it dude. --["Users/PeteB"]
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- ''2007-04-23 22:34:55'' [[nbsp]] Why don't we have a community discussion on this before you decide what is right besides the current standard template? --["PeterBoulay"]	+ ''2007-04-23 22:34:55'' [[nbsp]] Why don't we have a community discussion on this before you decide what is right besides the current standard template? --["Users/PeteB"]
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- ''2007-04-24 15:26:10'' [[nbsp]] Steven-Option B will get mauled if the store has multiple locations and people try to put them side-by-side...and why use all that space??? Just my concern. I had a complete stranger-someone I vaguely know in another department look at your post and they like Option A because "the categories are clearly laid out and you just go straight down the page and the information is right there". --["PeterBoulay"]	+ ''2007-04-24 15:26:10'' [[nbsp]] Steven-Option B will get mauled if the store has multiple locations and people try to put them side-by-side...and why use all that space??? Just my concern. I had a complete stranger-someone I vaguely know in another department look at your post and they like Option A because "the categories are clearly laid out and you just go straight down the page and the information is right there". --["Users/PeteB"]

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RachelBlumenthal — 2007-04-25T14:53:25Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-25 10:53:25'' [[nbsp]] I don't know anything about nested tables and everything else you're talking about, but I just want to throw in a vote for choice A. I think it has a much more finished, directory-like look as opposed to some information thrown together with pretty headings. --["RachelBlumenthal"]

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DaveMahon — 2007-04-25T00:25:55Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-24 20:25:55'' [[nbsp]] The consistent widths of Option A make it easier to group information at a glance. Likewise, the whitespace and consistent alignment in the Hours section of Option B makes it easier to read and store (and eventually automatically parse) information. --["DaveMahon"]

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peteb — 2007-04-24T19:26:10Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-24 15:26:10'' [[nbsp]] Steven-Option B will get mauled if the store has multiple locations and people try to put them side-by-side...and why use all that space??? Just my concern. I had a complete stranger-someone I vaguely know in another department look at your post and they like Option A because "the categories are clearly laid out and you just go straight down the page and the information is right there". --["PeterBoulay"]

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StevenDibelius — 2007-04-24T19:04:47Z

Further explained comment.

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JohnLam — 2007-04-24T18:57:55Z

Edit conflict. Sorry, i meant to clarify my comment.

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- ''2007-04-24 14:43:52'' [[nbsp]] Steven, a problem with the choices is the wiki cannot currently support '''nested tables'''. Your examples work only outside the context of other tables.	+ ''2007-04-24 14:43:52'' [[nbsp]] Steven, a problem with the first example is the wiki cannot currently support '''nested tables'''. It works only outside the context of other tables.

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StevenDibelius — 2007-04-24T18:50:30Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-24 14:50:30'' [[nbsp]] Actually, neither of the choices in my A) or B) comment use nested tables. The reason I asked, however, was because my proposed way of formatting the hours in the previous comment would require nested tables unless option B was chosen. Option B is actually a series of different tables rather than one single table. By making a series of tables, you can do something like the Hours example I made. --["StevenDibelius"]

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JohnLam — 2007-04-24T18:48:38Z

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- With only one level of tables available, hours laid out like ["Delmonicos Italian Steakhouse"] with shifting left-right indent are hard to read, compared to ["Ariana Kabob House"], even though Ariana has structurally more complicated hours. Again, readability, comprehensive ease, and graphity are the issue. —["John Lam"]	+ Without '''nested tables''', hours laid out like ["Delmonicos Italian Steakhouse"] with shifting left-right indent are hard to read, compared to ["Ariana Kabob House"], even though Ariana has structurally more complicated hours. Again, readability, comprehensive ease, and graphity are the issue. —["John Lam"]

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JohnLam — 2007-04-24T18:46:13Z

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- ''2007-04-24 14:43:52'' [[nbsp]] Steven, a problem with the choices is the wiki cannot currently support '''nested tables'''. Your example works only outside the context of other tables.	+ ''2007-04-24 14:43:52'' [[nbsp]] Steven, a problem with the choices is the wiki cannot currently support '''nested tables'''. Your examples work only outside the context of other tables.
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- Otherwise, yes, i also like the bolded subheads and have restore them. --["JohnLam"]	+ Otherwise, yes, i also like the bolded subheads and have restored them. --["JohnLam"]

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JohnLam — 2007-04-24T18:43:52Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-24 14:43:52'' [[nbsp]] Steven, a problem with the choices is the wiki cannot currently support '''nested tables'''. Your example works only outside the context of other tables. + + Otherwise, yes, i also like the bolded subheads and have restore them. --["JohnLam"]

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StevenDibelius — 2007-04-24T06:26:27Z

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	+ + \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Website'''\|\| + \|\|http://ArianaKabobHouse.com\|\| + + \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Alcohol'''\|\| + \|\|No\|\| + + The difference is in having heading widths be the same all the way down, or having heading widths vary based on data directly underneath.

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2007-04-24T06:23:34Z

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StevenDibelius — 2007-04-24T06:23:33Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-24 02:23:33'' [[nbsp]] On a different but related topic, which of the following to people prefer: + + A) + \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Location'''\|\| + \|\|[[Address("1009 South Clinton Ave, Rochester NY 14620-2069")]]\|\| + \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Hours''' (as of 2007.03.08)\|\| + \|\|Lunch 11:30a – 2:30p Tuesday – Sunday[[br]]Dinner 5:30p – 9pm Tuesday – Thursday & Sunday[[br]]Dinner 5:30p – 10pm Friday & Saturday\|\| + \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Phone'''\|\| + \|\|585 244-3202\|\| + + -or- + B) + \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Location'''\|\| + \|\|[[Address("1009 South Clinton Ave, Rochester NY 14620-2069")]]\|\| + + \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Hours''' (as of 2007.03.08)\|\| + \|\|Lunch 11:30a – 2:30p Tuesday – Sunday[[br]]Dinner 5:30p – 9pm Tuesday – Thursday & Sunday[[br]]Dinner 5:30p – 10pm Friday & Saturday\|\| + + \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Phone'''\|\| + \|\|585 244-3202\|\| + --["StevenDibelius"]

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StevenDibelius — 2007-04-24T05:27:03Z

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- \|\|\|\|Friday & Saturday:\|\|5:30pm–10:00pm\|\| --["StevenDibelius"]	+ \|\|\|\|Friday & Saturday:\|\|5:30pm–10:00pm\|\| + --["StevenDibelius"]

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StevenDibelius — 2007-04-24T05:26:05Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-24 01:26:05'' [[nbsp]] One thing I will say regarding the hours on ["Ariana Kabob House"] is that I don't like that you removed the bold from certain text. I also think adding lots of table formatting can help with the odd indents, if I correctly understand what you mean. I would make it: + \|\|\|\|\|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Hours''' (as of 2007.03.08)\|\|\|\|\|\| + \|\|'''Lunch:'''\|\|Tuesday - Saturday:\|\|11:30am–2:30pm\|\| + \|\|'''Dinner:'''\|\|Tuesday - Thursday, Sunday:\|\|5:30pm–9:00pm\|\| + \|\|\|\|Friday & Saturday:\|\|5:30pm–10:00pm\|\| --["StevenDibelius"]

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StevenDibelius — 2007-04-24T05:15:43Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-24 01:15:43'' [[nbsp]] John-I would like to give you a fair critique of how you think the template should be, but it's not clear to me exactly what you would like to see. If you could create another page (maybe called ["John's Business Template"]) with what you think the template should be, I would be glad to look at it and tell you what I think. --["StevenDibelius"]

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JohnLam — 2007-04-24T02:57:51Z

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- comment in reply or otherwise address the concerns, but i heard nothing - while you reverted nearly all my edits on formatting Hours and such! For - practical matters, the standard template fails except in simple cases. --["JohnLam"]	+ comment in reply or otherwise address the concerns, but i heard nothing while you reverted nearly all my edits on formatting Hours and such! For practical matters, the standard template fails except in simple cases. --["JohnLam"]

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JohnLam — 2007-04-24T02:57:22Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-23 22:57:22'' [[nbsp]] That exactly was the reason i started this page! I had hoped you would + comment in reply or otherwise address the concerns, but i heard nothing + while you reverted nearly all my edits on formatting Hours and such! For + practical matters, the standard template fails except in simple cases. --["JohnLam"]

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peteb — 2007-04-24T02:34:55Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-23 22:34:55'' [[nbsp]] Why don't we have a community discussion on this before you decide what is right besides the current standard template? --["PeterBoulay"]

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JohnLam — 2007-04-24T02:32:40Z

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- places with multiple locations. Some fields such as Hours and Accessibility - property belong to Location, while Alcohol belongs to the business. - Normalizing the data and graphics not only clarifies it for readers, but also - presages a move to a [wiki:wikipedia:hCalendar] and - [wiki:wikipedia:hCard]-compatible macro blocks. --["JohnLam"]	+ places with multiple locations. Some fields such as Hours and Accessibility properly belong to Location, while Alcohol belongs to the business. Normalizing the data and graphics not only clarifies it for readers, but also presages a move to a [wiki:wikipedia:hCalendar] and [wiki:wikipedia:hCard]-compatible macro blocks. --["JohnLam"]

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JohnLam — 2007-04-24T02:32:01Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-23 22:32:01'' [[nbsp]] What's “scattered” are fields such as Hours, Accessibility, and Alcohol, for + places with multiple locations. Some fields such as Hours and Accessibility + property belong to Location, while Alcohol belongs to the business. + Normalizing the data and graphics not only clarifies it for readers, but also + presages a move to a [wiki:wikipedia:hCalendar] and + [wiki:wikipedia:hCard]-compatible macro blocks. --["JohnLam"]

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peteb — 2007-04-24T02:02:33Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-23 22:02:33'' [[nbsp]] I had 3 people totally not involved with rocwiki look at it here and they like the original format John. It looked really scattered the way you changed it dude. --["PeterBoulay"]

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JohnLam — 2007-04-24T01:16:28Z

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- The readability and organization of the business template needs improvement. The implied record format renders and maps only one location clearly with its attribute hours and accessibility. For businesses with even one additional location, pages suffer a loss of [wiki:Wikipedia:readability], scattering closely related information up and down the headings. Also suffering a loss of readability and graphity, business with just one location get a page with too much space for colored headings than for information under them, especially with Yes/No tags under Alcohol, Accessibility, and single-line phone and websites.	+ The readability and organization of this business template needs improvement. The implied record format maps only one location clearly with its attribute hours and accessibility. For businesses with more than one location, pages suffer a loss of [wiki:Wikipedia:readability], scattering closely related information up and down the headings. Also suffering a loss of readability and graphity, business with just one location get a page with too much space for colored headings than for information under them, especially with Yes/No tags under Alcohol, Accessibility, and single-line phone and websites.

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JohnLam — 2007-03-16T17:31:34Z

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- The readability and organization of the business template needs improvement. The implied record format and layout map and render well only one location with its attribute hours and accessibility. For businesses with even one additional location, pages suffer a loss of [wiki:Wikipedia:readability], scattering closely related information up and down the headings. Also suffering a loss of readablity and graphity, business with just one location have a page with too much space as colored headings than information under them, especially with Yes/No tags under Alcohol, Accessibility, and single-line phone and websites.	+ The readability and organization of the business template needs improvement. The implied record format renders and maps only one location clearly with its attribute hours and accessibility. For businesses with even one additional location, pages suffer a loss of [wiki:Wikipedia:readability], scattering closely related information up and down the headings. Also suffering a loss of readability and graphity, business with just one location get a page with too much space for colored headings than for information under them, especially with Yes/No tags under Alcohol, Accessibility, and single-line phone and websites.
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- With only one level of tables, hours laid out like ["Delmonicos Italian Steakhouse"] with shifting left-right indent are hard to read, compared to ["Ariana Kabob House"], even though Ariana has structurally more complicated hours. Again, readibilty, comprehensive ease, and graphity are the issue. —["John Lam"]	+ With only one level of tables available, hours laid out like ["Delmonicos Italian Steakhouse"] with shifting left-right indent are hard to read, compared to ["Ariana Kabob House"], even though Ariana has structurally more complicated hours. Again, readability, comprehensive ease, and graphity are the issue. —["John Lam"]

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JohnLam — 2007-03-16T02:20:09Z

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	+ + The readability and organization of the business template needs improvement. The implied record format and layout map and render well only one location with its attribute hours and accessibility. For businesses with even one additional location, pages suffer a loss of [wiki:Wikipedia:readability], scattering closely related information up and down the headings. Also suffering a loss of readablity and graphity, business with just one location have a page with too much space as colored headings than information under them, especially with Yes/No tags under Alcohol, Accessibility, and single-line phone and websites. + + With only one level of tables, hours laid out like ["Delmonicos Italian Steakhouse"] with shifting left-right indent are hard to read, compared to ["Ariana Kabob House"], even though Ariana has structurally more complicated hours. Again, readibilty, comprehensive ease, and graphity are the issue. —["John Lam"]

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JohnLam — 2007-03-16T01:30:47Z

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	+ ["Business Template"] + + == Talk Page== + This page is where differences in opinions about RocWiki pages are resolved, and notes are left from one contributor to another related to content. + + [[Comments(Talk about the parent page:)]]