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EileenF — 2012-04-14T21:22:03Z

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	+ Agreed. Outdated links should go. --["Users/EileenF"]

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alex-c — 2012-04-14T20:16:40Z

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	+ ------ + ''2012-04-14 16:16:40'' [[nbsp]] JayBCo is obviously referring to that link to "10Best.com", which includes the Crystal Barn (closed for 2 years or longer) and the Grill at Strathallan (currently closed). Perhaps these dead links should be removed? --["Users/Alex-C"]

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JayBCo — 2012-04-13T19:31:13Z

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	+ ------ + ''2012-04-13 15:31:13'' [[nbsp]] Just looked at "10Best". Three have been closed - for years ! NO WAY two others are on a best list. Someone doesn't know food from dog food. --["Users/JayBCo"]

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peteb — 2011-05-24T20:32:13Z

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	+ * If you had an issue did you talk to a Manager?

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ReyTucker — 2010-06-18T05:41:51Z

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- ------ - ''2010-06-17 10:54:53'' [[nbsp]] Well, I decided to give Monte Alban in Webster a second chance. They just don't have their act together at all in so many respects. I sat at the bar. There was no bartender, or I should say, the guy behind the bar completely ignored us and only spoke to the only other people at the bar, two other spanish speaking customers. He never spoke to us or even looked at us. A waiter had to offer us drinks and menus. Another waiter attempted to make a margarita as our food arrived, but admitted she could not. Neither waiter could articulate the difference between ranchero sauce or relleno sauce. My tacos were so soggy from the microwave, they fell apart in my hand and I ate my taco like a salad. The salsa looks like it comes from a jar. The guy behind the bar never spoke a word to us, even as we were leaving. It was the rudest encounter I have ever had at a restaurant. Never again. --["Users/mconnell"]

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mconnell — 2010-06-17T14:54:53Z

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	+ ------ + ''2010-06-17 10:54:53'' [[nbsp]] Well, I decided to give Monte Alban in Webster a second chance. They just don't have their act together at all in so many respects. I sat at the bar. There was no bartender, or I should say, the guy behind the bar completely ignored us and only spoke to the only other people at the bar, two other spanish speaking customers. He never spoke to us or even looked at us. A waiter had to offer us drinks and menus. Another waiter attempted to make a margarita as our food arrived, but admitted she could not. Neither waiter could articulate the difference between ranchero sauce or relleno sauce. My tacos were so soggy from the microwave, they fell apart in my hand and I ate my taco like a salad. The salsa looks like it comes from a jar. The guy behind the bar never spoke a word to us, even as we were leaving. It was the rudest encounter I have ever had at a restaurant. Never again. --["Users/mconnell"]

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peteb — 2010-06-17T14:47:06Z

Revert to version 13 (bluesky's and mconnell's thoughts moved to pages they were intended for).

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- ------ - ''2010-02-15 09:50:38'' [[nbsp]] Aladdins Pittsford Location. Where to begin? Not a pleasant dining experience. And, a bit shocking how apathetic and rude the management, wait servers and owner can be. The immediate greeting as you walk in the door is never friendly or warm. It feels like a BIG deal by whomever is seating you. Sometimes, the party can be seated without all people present, other times your party has to wait till all members have arrived. The later is always said rudely & in a "I don't care" manner. Never consistent, never pleasant and never warm. - Some food items are good but most are mediocre. - A recent visit to the restuarant was extremely shocking. After I had paid the bill, I was acosted by the waitress, who is also the manager, for not leaving a 15% tip!! Wow, now that's a first. She was one angry woman, let me tell you. Expressing our concerns to the owner on our way out proved fruitless and equally demeaning. He was confrontational, argumentive and towered over me in a very threatening way! It was truly a very upsetting experience. I always thought it was odd the way you were greeted so poorly at Aladdins Pittsford. Now, it all makes sense when the message goes from the top, through the management and right down to the servers who are also the greeters. - It is truly amazing that such poor management skills exist in such a public arena. --["Users/bluesky"] - ------ - ''2010-06-17 10:43:49'' [[nbsp]] Well, I decided to give Monte Alban in Webster a second chance. They just don't have their act together at all in so many respects. I sat at the bar. There was no bartender, or I should say, the guy behind the bar completely ignored us and only spoke to the only other people at the bar, two other spanish speaking customers. He never spoke to us or even looked at us. A waiter had to offer us drinks and menus. Another waiter attempted to make a margarita as our food arrived, but admitted she could not. Neither waiter could articulate the difference between ranchero sauce or relleno sauce. My tacos were so soggy from the microwave, they fell apart in my hand and I ate my taco like a salad. The salsa looks like it comes from a jar. The guy behind the bar never spoke a word to us, even as we were leaving. It was the rudest encounter I have ever had at a restaurant. Never again. --["Users/mconnell"]

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mconnell — 2010-06-17T14:43:49Z

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	+ ------ + ''2010-06-17 10:43:49'' [[nbsp]] Well, I decided to give Monte Alban in Webster a second chance. They just don't have their act together at all in so many respects. I sat at the bar. There was no bartender, or I should say, the guy behind the bar completely ignored us and only spoke to the only other people at the bar, two other spanish speaking customers. He never spoke to us or even looked at us. A waiter had to offer us drinks and menus. Another waiter attempted to make a margarita as our food arrived, but admitted she could not. Neither waiter could articulate the difference between ranchero sauce or relleno sauce. My tacos were so soggy from the microwave, they fell apart in my hand and I ate my taco like a salad. The salsa looks like it comes from a jar. The guy behind the bar never spoke a word to us, even as we were leaving. It was the rudest encounter I have ever had at a restaurant. Never again. --["Users/mconnell"]

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bluesky — 2010-02-15T14:50:38Z

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	+ ------ + ''2010-02-15 09:50:38'' [[nbsp]] Aladdins Pittsford Location. Where to begin? Not a pleasant dining experience. And, a bit shocking how apathetic and rude the management, wait servers and owner can be. The immediate greeting as you walk in the door is never friendly or warm. It feels like a BIG deal by whomever is seating you. Sometimes, the party can be seated without all people present, other times your party has to wait till all members have arrived. The later is always said rudely & in a "I don't care" manner. Never consistent, never pleasant and never warm. + Some food items are good but most are mediocre. + A recent visit to the restuarant was extremely shocking. After I had paid the bill, I was acosted by the waitress, who is also the manager, for not leaving a 15% tip!! Wow, now that's a first. She was one angry woman, let me tell you. Expressing our concerns to the owner on our way out proved fruitless and equally demeaning. He was confrontational, argumentive and towered over me in a very threatening way! It was truly a very upsetting experience. I always thought it was odd the way you were greeted so poorly at Aladdins Pittsford. Now, it all makes sense when the message goes from the top, through the management and right down to the servers who are also the greeters. + It is truly amazing that such poor management skills exist in such a public arena. --["Users/bluesky"]

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BradMandell — 2009-07-13T15:01:55Z

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	+ * [http://www.discoverourtown.com/NY/Rochester/Dining-2532.html DiscoverOurTown.com] + * [http://www.inforochester.com/restaurants.htm InfoRochester.com] + * [http://www.merchantcircle.com/search?q=restaurant&qn=Rochester%2C+NY MerchantCircle.com] + * [http://rochester.metromix.com/restaurants MetroMix.com] - lots of good entries and reviews
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	+ * [http://allrochesterrestaurants.com/ RochesterRestaurants.com] + * [http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurants-g48503-Rochester_Finger_Lakes_New_York.html TripAdvisor.com]

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BradMandell — 2009-03-03T22:38:22Z

Place to store resources for reviews

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	+ '''Rochester Restaurant Review Resources''' + * [http://www.10best.com/Rochester,NY/Restaurants/Best_Restaurants/ 10Best.com] + * [http://rochester.citysearch.com/find/section/rochester/restaurants.html CitySearch.com] + * [http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=dining Democrat & Chronicle] + * [http://rochester.diningguide.com/ DiningGuide.com] + * [http://www.mytravelguide.com/restaurants/ctrestaurants-8439201-United_States_New_York_Rochester_restaurants.html MyTravelGuide.com] + * [http://www.restaurantdb.net/restaurants/NY-Rochester-0.html RestaurantDB.net] + * [http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-2858577-rochester_restaurants-i Yahoo Travel] + * [http://www.yelp.com/c/rochester-ny/restaurants Yelp.com] +

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BradMandell — 2008-09-03T16:09:14Z

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- '''Creating a page for a restaurant with the just an address and phone number is lame.[[Footnote('''Entirely appropriate and useful and just waiting for some "non-lame" contributor to "Awesome" up.''')]] - But with keen senses and this cheat sheet, you'll create the most awesomest page in the wiki universe!'''	+ \|\|<bgcolor='#FFFF00'>'''Creating a page for a restaurant with the just an address and phone number is lame.[[Footnote('''Entirely appropriate and useful and just waiting for some "non-lame" contributor to "Awesome" up.''')]] But with keen senses and this cheat sheet, you'll create the most awesomest page in the wiki universe!''' - original author - ["Users/RickUrwin"] \|\|

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BradMandell — 2008-09-03T15:54:35Z

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	+ * NPOV -(Neutral Point of View) is usually recommended - but that does not mean you cannot state something emphatically that is factual and neutral (if it walks like a duck ...). I usually state the obvious in the listing. Afterwards, I put in a comment about my specific experience and opinion.

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BradMandell — 2008-09-03T15:45:53Z

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	+ '''Additional Suggestions''' + * TAKE YOUR CAMERA: As you can see from ["Cheeburger Cheeburger"], ["Chilango's"], ["Castaways on the Lake"] and ["Pelican's Nest Restaurant"] I go armed with my digital camera - a picture is often worth a thousand words. I try to get an exterior shot to make finding a tad easier (plus deal with the first impression), a shot around the room, any special touches, and a shot of some dish if it shows presentation, etc. I have also shot the menu, so that if it is not available on the web, I could provide it. Be cautious about direct shots of strangers, they might not like to find themselves on the web. Employees are before the public, so probably not an issue. + * Grab a take-out menu, business card or other info from the counter - it may fill in some blanks and will give you a place to take notes. + * Mention RocWiki to the owner, manager, waitress, etc. Let them know what you are up to. You may get extra good service, but then at least we will then know their "best shot". I got some handouts from PeteB as leave-behinds. + * Do some web research to find reviews, etc (maybe best after the fact so you go in with an open mind). - I will come back later with some useful links ["Users/BradMandell"] + +

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RickUrwin — 2007-06-27T21:14:44Z

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- But with this cheat sheet you will have the power to create the most awesomest pages in the wiki universe! - (and thusly not be lame says my friend from the background)'''	+ But with keen senses and this cheat sheet, you'll create the most awesomest page in the wiki universe!'''
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- * Name of establishment being reviewed, location, phone number, website? (Basics here but make sure they are accurate.)	+ '''For the info section:''' + * Name of establishment along with location, phone number, website? (Basics here but try to be accurate.) + * Type of area that the establishment is located in is included? (Right on the Erie Canal, Bustling Street Corner.) + * Nearby Attractions? (Erie Canal path, offices, coffee shops, walking areas, clubs, ect.) + * Nationality or Type of food. (Italian, steak house, family, etc.)? + * When the restaurant was first opened? Know who the Owners are? + * Good feng zhu or ease of access for handicap. (Look at foyer, waiting area, dining room/seating. Size and & number of rooms, Table spacing) + * Atmosphere: Decorations, Music, Noise level, Entertainment. (Paintings, plants, live bands, live alligators.) + * Menu: Appetizer, Drink, Entrée?. (Clearly composed, Comparable in size, price, etc. to other local establishments?)
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- * Type of area that the establishment is located in is included? (Right on the Erie Canal or busy street corner.) - - * Other attractions located nearby the establishment are included? (Erie Canal path, offices, coffee shops, restaurants, walking areas, clubs, ect.) - - * Nationality or Type of food. (Italian, steak house, family, etc.)? - - * Know when the restaurant was first opened? Know who the Owners are? - - * User friendly? Good feng zhu or ease of access. (Look at foyer, waiting area, dining room/seating. Size and & number of rooms. - - * Atmosphere: Decorations, Music, Noise level, Entertainment. (Paintings, plants, live bands, live alligators, live television.) - - * Menu: Appetizers, Drinks and Entrees. (Clearly composed, Comparable in size, price, etc. to other local establishments?) - - * Plenty of time to interact with your dining companions? (Appropriately busy, crowded or eerily slow. Time to talk, enjoy yourselves?) - - * Table spacing? (Room to move or is there some eavesdropping happening?) - - * Service: Attentive too much/little?, Talkative too much/little? - - * Timing? Pause good between courses? Coffee/bill/ect on time? - - * The Food? (too Simple or over-elaborate?) - - * sufficient variety? Menu too simple/complex? - - * Overall thoughts? - - '''With the above questions answered you can now write a killer restaurant page that people will comment on!''' -["RickUrwin" Rick]	+ '''With the above questions answered you can now write a killer restaurant page that will enormously helpful.'''
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- ------ - ''2007-06-26 20:51:55'' [[nbsp]] I agree, makes sense. We could break this up into two separate lists. One of tips on what to gather to write up or revamp a restaurant page and then another to offer ideas on how to talk about a trip. --["RickUrwin"]

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RickUrwin — 2007-06-27T00:51:55Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-06-26 20:51:55'' [[nbsp]] I agree, makes sense. We could break this up into two separate lists. One of tips on what to gather to write up or revamp a restaurant page and then another to offer ideas on how to talk about a trip. --["RickUrwin"]

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DanielMiner — 2007-02-07T15:45:27Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-02-07 10:45:27'' [[nbsp]] I don't even see why this is an argument. It seems pretty obvious to me that the pages themselves should be NPOV, and the comments should be whatever the commentors' impressions of the place are. Ben, as far as avoiding negative comments goes - yes, the restaurant business is hard work, and every place has their "off nights," but this is the real world, not 3rd grade - you don't get an A for effort if you try hard but fail to deliver. A restaurant doesn't deserve to succeed just for trying, it deserves to succeed for providing good food and good service. --["DanielMiner"]

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FarMcKon — 2007-02-06T18:10:30Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-02-06 13:10:30'' [[nbsp]] Meh. I think crowding the site with disclaimers, etc is overblown. We should make it clear that this is all user generated, and the wiki is an just an open content channel, with a few neatness/politeness rules. I thought it was funny in the Rochester Magazine article talking about misspellings as if some editor had failed at his job and missed something.... We should aim for NPOV, but not at the cost of driving away contributors or making review bone-dry. --["FarMcKon"]

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travisowens — 2007-02-06T16:46:34Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-02-06 11:46:34'' [[nbsp]] PS: I've agree with BenMargolis that opinions DO NOT belong in the restaurant write-ups, they only belong in the comments section. I also realize that people who like a place, will say nothing, but those who dislike a place can't shut up. Perhaps we need a link to a disclaimer that appears before comments to make people realize this fact, well worded of course. --["TravisOwens"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-02-06 11:44:48'' [[nbsp]] Overall I agree, but I think it's worng to claim a restaurant has an "intended customer", food applies to anyone. I won't deny that certain age groups prefer certain joints, I think eating healthier is something the younger generation is finally picking up on. So a place like Pita Pit is popular amont 20 somethings, but it's not like they don't want a 40yr old coming in. Generally speaking, the factor in age is often price. You're average 20 something eats out far more often than a 40yr old, so they will prefer to spend less and eat at quicker joints. Where as the 40yr old, who is making more money, and eats out less often, well have no problem going to a place that charges $25+ per plate. --["TravisOwens"]

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benmargolis — 2007-02-05T07:17:44Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-02-05 02:17:44'' [[nbsp]] The review itself should be NPOV (Neutral Point of View), save the opinions for the comments! Please see my essay on restaurant comments on my own page. --["BenMargolis"]

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RickUrwin — 2006-07-17T19:02:35Z

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	+ =Tips for Creating a Successful Restaurant Page= + + '''Creating a page for a restaurant with the just an address and phone number is lame. + But with this cheat sheet you will have the power to create the most awesomest pages in the wiki universe! + (and thusly not be lame says my friend from the background)''' + + * Name of establishment being reviewed, location, phone number, website? (Basics here but make sure they are accurate.) + + * Genre of the establishment? (If you can though there is so much hybridization that they are mostly generic.) + + * Who the intended consumer of the establishment is included? (College kids, business people, couples, friends ect...) + + * Type of area that the establishment is located in is included? (Right on the Erie Canal or busy street corner.) + + * Other attractions located nearby the establishment are included? (Erie Canal path, offices, coffee shops, restaurants, walking areas, clubs, ect.) + + * Nationality or Type of food. (Italian, steak house, family, etc.)? + + * Know when the restaurant was first opened? Know who the Owners are? + + * User friendly? Good feng zhu or ease of access. (Look at foyer, waiting area, dining room/seating. Size and & number of rooms. + + * Atmosphere: Decorations, Music, Noise level, Entertainment. (Paintings, plants, live bands, live alligators, live television.) + + * Menu: Appetizers, Drinks and Entrees. (Clearly composed, Comparable in size, price, etc. to other local establishments?) + + * Plenty of time to interact with your dining companions? (Appropriately busy, crowded or eerily slow. Time to talk, enjoy yourselves?) + + * Table spacing? (Room to move or is there some eavesdropping happening?) + + * Service: Attentive too much/little?, Talkative too much/little? + + * Timing? Pause good between courses? Coffee/bill/ect on time? + + * The Food? (too Simple or over-elaborate?) + + * sufficient variety? Menu too simple/complex? + + * Overall thoughts? + + '''With the above questions answered you can now write a killer restaurant page that people will comment on!''' -["RickUrwin" Rick] + + [[Comments]]