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alexandergartley — 2015-12-17T20:38:02Z

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EileenF — 2012-02-11T23:33:50Z

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EileenF — 2012-02-11T23:32:11Z

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- '''Rochester Insider''' was a free weekly ["Publications" publication] from the ["Democrat & Chronicle"], part of the ["Gannett"] ["newspapers" newspaper] chain, to target hard-to-reach readers in the 18-to-34 demographic who have thus far mostly shunned other forms of print media. Insider made its debut in February 2004, and as of mid-2005 ["Gannett"] had rolled out free weeklies in approximately 10 markets across the country. Although Gannett has shuttered at least one of its new launches in the first 18 months of operation, Insider has achieved significant readership reach already according to market research.	+ See ["Gone, But Not Forgotten"]
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- [http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/news/articles/2011/06/Insider-closes-officially/ On June 24. 2011 Gannett shuttered the weekly], replacing it with the ROCWeekend section of the ["Democrat & Chronicle"]. The website remains, however.	+ '''Rochester Insider''' was a free weekly ["Publications" publication] from the ["Democrat & Chronicle"], part of the ["Gannett"] ["newspapers" newspaper] chain, to target hard-to-reach readers in the 18-to-34 demographic who have thus far mostly shunned other forms of print media. Insider made its debut in February 2004, and as of mid-2005 ["Gannett"] had rolled out free weeklies in approximately 10 markets across the country. Although Gannett has shuttered at least one of its new launches in the first 18 months of operation, Insider has achieved significant readership reach already according to market research.
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- ==Discussion==	+ [http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/news/articles/2011/06/Insider-closes-officially/ On June 24. 2011 Gannett shuttered the weekly], replacing it with the ROCWeekend section of the ["Democrat & Chronicle"]. The website remains, however. + + ==Discussion==

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TomMaszerowski — 2011-07-01T19:06:10Z

Insider cancelled, replaced by ROCWeekend.

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JackGreenky — 2010-04-23T14:31:08Z

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BradMandell — 2010-04-10T17:54:44Z

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- Critics have charged that the chain's free weeklies are a transparent attempt to put [http://www.aan.org/gyrobase/Aan/ViewArticle?oid=oid%3A949 other free weeklies] out of business, but one would be hard-pressed to document ways in which Insider attempts to go head-to-head with the slightly-left-leaning ["City Newspaper"] or the personality-deficient ["Freetime Magazine"] other than the fact that all have substantial events calendars.	+ ==Discussion== + Critics have charged that the chain's free weeklies are a transparent attempt to put [http://www.aan.org/gyrobase/Aan/ViewArticle?oid=oid%3A949 other free weeklies] out of business, but one would be hard-pressed to document ways in which Insider attempts to go head-to-head with the slightly-left-leaning ["City Newspaper"] or the personality-deficient ["Freetime Magazine"] other than the fact that all have substantial events calendars.
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peteb — 2009-02-18T23:37:37Z

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alexandergartley — 2008-09-24T21:07:35Z

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alexandergartley — 2007-12-26T09:05:55Z

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alexandergartley — 2007-12-26T09:02:45Z

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2007-12-26T09:01:46Z

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alexandergartley — 2007-12-26T09:01:46Z

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alexandergartley — 2007-12-26T08:56:22Z

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alexandergartley — 2007-12-26T08:55:41Z

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adamdewitz — 2007-01-31T18:19:45Z

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RobertPolyn — 2006-04-20T21:40:23Z

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rottenchester — 2006-03-03T16:58:55Z

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FarMcKon — 2006-03-03T13:49:16Z

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FarMcKon — 2006-03-03T13:48:58Z

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- [[Comments]] - ------ - ''2005-08-08 14:08:16'' [[nbsp]] Much Better. Not perfect, but much better. --["FarMcKon"] - ------ - ''2005-12-14 13:16:21'' [[nbsp]] I think it strives too hard to be hip, as if the writers have a list of "hip lingo" from which they pick and choose. But I'm way beyond the target demographic, so what do I know? --["TomMaszerowski"] - ------ - ''2005-12-14 13:30:54'' [[nbsp]] I agree with you. Falling within the targeted demographic range (20-30 somethings), the catch phrase 'Rochester Remixed' is one of the more insulting marketing ploys I've ever had pushed at me. --["RobertPolyn"] - ------ - ''2005-12-14 21:37:46'' [[nbsp]] IMHO, filling 4-6 pages full of face-shots of people events is a cheap ploy to get people to pick it up, for the off chance that they see themselves 'In the paper'. I've been in a bunch if places where there is _no reporter_ but there is an annoying Insider photographer asking every singlel person walking in 'can I take your picture for the insider?' --["FarMcKon"] - ------ - ''2006-02-28 14:20:13'' [[nbsp]] How is "Rochester Remixed" insulting? Lame, yes. Insulting?...hardly. Also, to FarMcKon...what is it about the person taking pictures that irks you so? I doubt they are wandering up and asking you more than once in a night, so what do you care if they are asking other people? Honestly, how is this a hindrance to your enjoyment of the evening? Complainers. --["LaraEaves"] - ------ - ''2006-02-28 15:58:17'' [[nbsp]] Lara: You find it lame. Meanwhile, I find it insulting. That is my opinion, and in my experience it also seems to be an incredibly widespread one. How is it insulting? In attempting to be a publication [http://www.gannett.com/yrp/images/YRPMediaKit.pdf communicating in their voice, their tone, and to their needs]. Provide solid content and there is no need to fall back on one-fits-all-marketing-shtick. That isn't to say it fails as an advertising vehicle, ''[http://www.gannett.com/yrp/images/YRPMediaKit.pdf your ads reach an underserved and most desirable local market segment]'', but a significant portion of the people that could potentially be interested decide against picking it up at altogether because of the condescending tone. I was interested to see a new publication when I first came across it, but then quickly lost interest. It resonates within me with all of the force, character, and charm of a Pepsi advertisement. If you're involved on a local level, then I give you credit. I have no idea how internal operations work, but I can't imagine that local staff is entirely in control of what makes it to publication. I give you credit for the interesting and well-written content that occasionally makes it to press. If I wasn't interested in seeing more from the Insider, I wouldn't take the time to voice my opinion... and by the way, you registered an account and have made a single contribution to this site in the form of a comment ''complaining'' about ''complainers''? Well played! If you'd like to carry on this conversation, feel free to contact me through e-mail address listed in my profile. --["RobertPolyn"] - ------ - ''2006-02-28 20:39:37'' [[nbsp]] While it's not an absolute guide, Google shows no hits for a "Lara Eaves". Do I smell a ringer? --["TomMaszerowski"] - ------ - ''2006-02-28 22:19:28'' [[nbsp]] I was completely turned off to it when I saw their article on how to make smores. That's right: MAKE smores. It was a giant photograph of Wegmans' products with an actual article documenting the process of heating marshmallows to sandwich between graham crackers and chocolate (I hope I'm not violating their copyright.) I figure, if you're too dumb to make smores from a list of ingredients (and maybe "toast the marshmallows") then you're too dumb to read. Writers are actually paid enough to go there, but it just goes to show that money does not equal good. --["JasonOlshefsky"] - ------ - ''2006-03-01 15:38:26'' [[nbsp]] When I moved in to my apartment here and had a "getting to know you" conversation with one of my new roommates, she said "Oh! You're from Rochester! I have a friend who moved there to work on a newspaper... do you know of the Insider?" Yes, roommate, I do know of it. But I cannot say more without jeopardizing our fragile, new relationship. I guess its not that the Insider is a bad, bad newspaper that deserves to be beaten, but rather that there aren't very many better options when it comes to free monthlies or weeklies, making it more difficult to avoid when sitting at the laundromat (though there's always "AutoMart" and "ApartmentFinder"). Maybe RocWiki should start up a free weekly print zine thing... make a page where people can contribute throughout the month, then print it out and distribute around town. RocNews. --["HeatherYager"] - ------ - ''2006-03-01 20:07:51'' [[nbsp]] If there were a group blog for RocWiki, I'll bet some of us would contribute. That would be a start. --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2006-03-01 20:13:42'' [[nbsp]] Agreed. But it should be less political than the City, less commercial than the Insider. --["JohnGormly"] - ------ - ''2006-03-01 20:16:00'' [[nbsp]] So, kind of like Craigslist? (kidding) --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2006-03-01 20:18:24'' [[nbsp]] So a lack of google hits on my name is Tom's evidence that I'm not real? Great sleuthing...internet validation is the ONLY validation. Heh. I came on here looking for information about the distribution sizes of all the free weeklies, and I read them all fairly regularly. I can now understand how Robert sees the tagline as insulting, in the sense that it is pandering without a real sense of the intelligence level of people reading it. I think my view of it was a more naive "they're clueless...oh well". I guess I feel that the insider is fluffy entertainment, and City provides the political/social content and depth, so I guess I'm just not sure what type of thing you'd have the insider feature... wouldn't it be just as offensive if they tried to encroach on City's territory and be all political and heavy? And I'm still curious about FarMcKon's beef with the photographers (I saw one in action, he was fairly unobtrusive). --["LaraEaves"] - ------ - ''2006-03-01 21:54:40'' [[nbsp]] Anybody interested in some kind of group blog for rocwiki contributors, read what I wrote at rocwiki.blogspot.com and comment or email if you're interested. Thanks. --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2006-03-02 00:50:16'' [[nbsp]] Lara, in your own opinion, how do you think Insider could be improved? --["RobertPolyn"] - ------ - ''2006-03-02 03:39:48'' [[nbsp]] The reason I posed that question here is because all I saw was un-constructive criticism... nobody's offering solutions (other than "let's make our own!") I'd ditch the attempts at delivering news headlines, they're a week old anyway. And the other filler that I flip by in the first and last few pages. I don't like the posed nightclub pictures at all, but I do like the actual event pictures like shots of the musicians, etc. I think having some kind of community voice beyond letters to the editor is a good idea. "What I'm into" is a start, but it's just a voyeuristic "see how cool I am?" type of thing. (But then again, you look at the proliferation of blogs and all that self-important wankery, and get the sense that that's all people want, a platform upon which to sing their own praises). I'm nearly out of space, so that's it for now, but keep in mind I actually find the insider entertaining. So it's really up to those of you who really don't like it to say what you would do differently. --["LaraEaves"] - ------ - ''2006-03-02 23:52:01'' [[nbsp]] Lara, with respect, I think you're mistaken in calling the initial four comments "un-constructive" or nobody "offering solutions." Think of it like a movie review. Typically, a movie review states what works or doesn't work in a movie, and why, or whether or not the movie succeeded in what it set out to do. Reviews don't usually go on to say that if the lighting director had used blue gels instead of red, maybe the movie wouldn't have sucked. That's why it's a review, and not a drafting and revision session. In a lot of cases, the wiki comments serve as little mini-reviews, which is the beauty of the wiki in my opinion. And, yes, describing what things the Insider could do better has its merits, but so does spending some time describing what you like or don't like about it (which in some ways is essentially the same thing). Having those sorts of discussions are how you get to the point where you're thinking about how to change the things you don't like (as evidenced by the arc of the above conversation). It's not "complaining" to state one's opinion. --["HeatherYager"] - ------ - ''2006-03-03 00:14:35'' [[nbsp]] Additionally, I can comment on the photographers since I too dislike the ploy... it seems to me (OPINION!!) that the point of the random around-the-town photographs is simply to hook people into glancing through the paper, to see if they or anyone they know are appearing in the photos. The pictures don't add any valuable content, since they are just photos of people around town (ie. something you can see by walking into any bar), so it makes me wonder if it is simply a space-filler? A "look at me, I'm in the paper for going out to a bar!!" sort of feature. I find going to bars fun, I do not find looking at pictures of people in bars fun. --["HeatherYager"]	+ + ==== Discussion ==== + Since this discussion has gotten long, plese see it at ["Rochester Insider\Talk"]

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HeatherYager — 2006-03-03T02:16:13Z

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- ''2006-03-03 00:14:35'' [[nbsp]] Additionally, I can comment on the photographers since I too dislike the ploy... it seems to me (OPINION!!) that the point of the random around-the-town photographs is simply to hook people into glancing through the paper, to see if they or anyone they know are appearing in the photos. They don't seem to add any valuable content, since they are just photos of people around town (ie. something you can see by walking into any bar), so it makes me wonder if it is simply a space-filler? A "look at me, I'm in the paper for going out to a bar!!" sort of feature. I find going to bars fun, I do not find looking at pictures of people in bars fun (or interesting). --["HeatherYager"]	+ ''2006-03-03 00:14:35'' [[nbsp]] Additionally, I can comment on the photographers since I too dislike the ploy... it seems to me (OPINION!!) that the point of the random around-the-town photographs is simply to hook people into glancing through the paper, to see if they or anyone they know are appearing in the photos. The pictures don't add any valuable content, since they are just photos of people around town (ie. something you can see by walking into any bar), so it makes me wonder if it is simply a space-filler? A "look at me, I'm in the paper for going out to a bar!!" sort of feature. I find going to bars fun, I do not find looking at pictures of people in bars fun. --["HeatherYager"]

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HeatherYager — 2006-03-03T02:14:35Z

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	+ ------ + ''2006-03-03 00:14:35'' [[nbsp]] Additionally, I can comment on the photographers since I too dislike the ploy... it seems to me (OPINION!!) that the point of the random around-the-town photographs is simply to hook people into glancing through the paper, to see if they or anyone they know are appearing in the photos. They don't seem to add any valuable content, since they are just photos of people around town (ie. something you can see by walking into any bar), so it makes me wonder if it is simply a space-filler? A "look at me, I'm in the paper for going out to a bar!!" sort of feature. I find going to bars fun, I do not find looking at pictures of people in bars fun (or interesting). --["HeatherYager"]

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HeatherYager — 2006-03-03T02:06:06Z

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- ''2006-03-02 23:52:01'' [[nbsp]] I do think that criticism is healthy, be it constructive or non... think of it like a movie review. Typically, a movie review states what works or doesn't work in a movie, and why, or how the movie succeeded in what it way trying to do. Reviews don't usually go on to say that if the lighting director had used blue gels instead of red, maybe the movie wouldn't have sucked. That's why it's a review, and not a drafting and revision session. In a lot of cases, the wiki comments serve as little mini-reviews, which is the beauty of the wiki in my opinion. And, yes, describing what things the Insider could do better has its merits, but so does spending some time describing what you like or don't like about it (which is essentially the same thing, isn't it?). That's how you get to the point where you're thinking about how to change the things you don't like. --["HeatherYager"]	+ ''2006-03-02 23:52:01'' [[nbsp]] Lara, with respect, I think you're mistaken in calling the initial four comments "un-constructive" or nobody "offering solutions." Think of it like a movie review. Typically, a movie review states what works or doesn't work in a movie, and why, or whether or not the movie succeeded in what it set out to do. Reviews don't usually go on to say that if the lighting director had used blue gels instead of red, maybe the movie wouldn't have sucked. That's why it's a review, and not a drafting and revision session. In a lot of cases, the wiki comments serve as little mini-reviews, which is the beauty of the wiki in my opinion. And, yes, describing what things the Insider could do better has its merits, but so does spending some time describing what you like or don't like about it (which in some ways is essentially the same thing). Having those sorts of discussions are how you get to the point where you're thinking about how to change the things you don't like (as evidenced by the arc of the above conversation). It's not "complaining" to state one's opinion. --["HeatherYager"]

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HeatherYager — 2006-03-03T01:58:14Z

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HeatherYager — 2006-03-03T01:52:01Z

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LaraEaves — 2006-03-02T05:39:48Z

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	+ ------ + ''2006-03-02 03:39:48'' [[nbsp]] The reason I posed that question here is because all I saw was un-constructive criticism... nobody's offering solutions (other than "let's make our own!") I'd ditch the attempts at delivering news headlines, they're a week old anyway. And the other filler that I flip by in the first and last few pages. I don't like the posed nightclub pictures at all, but I do like the actual event pictures like shots of the musicians, etc. I think having some kind of community voice beyond letters to the editor is a good idea. "What I'm into" is a start, but it's just a voyeuristic "see how cool I am?" type of thing. (But then again, you look at the proliferation of blogs and all that self-important wankery, and get the sense that that's all people want, a platform upon which to sing their own praises). I'm nearly out of space, so that's it for now, but keep in mind I actually find the insider entertaining. So it's really up to those of you who really don't like it to say what you would do differently. --["LaraEaves"]

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RobertPolyn — 2006-03-02T02:50:16Z

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rottenchester — 2006-03-01T23:54:40Z

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	+ ------ + ''2006-03-01 21:54:40'' [[nbsp]] Anybody interested in some kind of group blog for rocwiki contributors, read what I wrote at rocwiki.blogspot.com and comment or email if you're interested. Thanks. --["RottenChester"]

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LaraEaves — 2006-03-01T22:21:38Z

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LaraEaves — 2006-03-01T22:21:00Z

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LaraEaves — 2006-03-01T22:18:24Z

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	+ ------ + ''2006-03-01 20:18:24'' [[nbsp]] So a lack of google hits on my name is Tom's evidence that I'm not real? Great sleuthing...internet validation is the ONLY validation. Heh. I came on here looking for information about the distribution sizes of all the free weeklies, and I read them all fairly regularly. I can now understand how Robert sees the tagline as insulting, in the sense that it is pandering without a real sense of the intelligence level of people reading it. I think my view of it was a more naive "they're clueless...oh well". I guess I feel that the insider is fluffy entertainment, and City provides the political/social content and depth, so I guess I'm just not sure what type of thing you'd have the insider feature... wouldn't it be just as offensive if they tried to encroach on City's territory and be all political and heavy? And I'm still curious about FarMcKon's beef with the photographers (I saw one in action, he was fairly unobtrusive). --["LaraEaves"]

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JohnGormly — 2006-03-01T22:13:42Z

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	+ ------ + ''2006-03-01 20:13:42'' [[nbsp]] Agreed. But it should be less political than the City, less commercial than the Insider. --["JohnGormly"]

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rottenchester — 2006-03-01T22:07:51Z

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HeatherYager — 2006-03-01T17:42:42Z

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HeatherYager — 2006-03-01T17:41:54Z

this is a good idea, folks

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HeatherYager — 2006-03-01T17:38:26Z

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	+ ------ + ''2006-02-28 22:19:28'' [[nbsp]] I was completely turned off to it when I saw their article on how to make smores. That's right: MAKE smores. It was a giant photograph of Wegmans' products with an actual article documenting the process of heating marshmallows to sandwich between graham crackers and chocolate (I hope I'm not violating their copyright.) I figure, if you're too dumb to make smores from a list of ingredients (and maybe "toast the marshmallows") then you're too dumb to read. Writers are actually paid enough to go there, but it just goes to show that money does not equal good. --["JasonOlshefsky"]

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TomMaszerowski — 2006-02-28T22:39:37Z

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RobertPolyn — 2006-02-28T18:06:57Z

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RobertPolyn — 2006-02-28T18:04:19Z

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RobertPolyn — 2006-02-28T17:58:17Z

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	+ ------ + ''2006-02-28 14:20:13'' [[nbsp]] How is "Rochester Remixed" insulting? Lame, yes. Insulting?...hardly. Also, to FarMcKon...what is it about the person taking pictures that irks you so? I doubt they are wandering up and asking you more than once in a night, so what do you care if they are asking other people? Honestly, how is this a hindrance to your enjoyment of the evening? Complainers. --["LaraEaves"]

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FarMcKon — 2005-12-14T23:37:46Z

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	+ ------ + ''2005-12-14 21:37:46'' [[nbsp]] IMHO, filling 4-6 pages full of face-shots of people events is a cheap ploy to get people to pick it up, for the off chance that they see themselves 'In the paper'. I've been in a bunch if places where there is _no reporter_ but there is an annoying Insider photographer asking every singlel person walking in 'can I take your picture for the insider?' --["FarMcKon"]

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AndrewSerrano — 2005-12-14T23:22:18Z

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- Insider is a free weekly paper from the ["Democrat and Chronicle"], part of the ["Gannett"] chain, to target hard-to-reach readers in the 18-to-34 demographic who have thus far mostly shunned other forms of print media. Insider made its debut in February 2004, and as of mid-2005 ["Gannett"] had rolled out free weeklies in approximately 10 markets across the country. Although Gannett has shuttered at least one of its new launches in the first 18 months of operation, Insider has achieved significant reader reach already according to market research.	+ Insider is a free weekly paper from the ["Democrat and Chronicle"], part of the ["Gannett"] chain, to target hard-to-reach readers in the 18-to-34 demographic who have thus far mostly shunned other forms of print media. Insider made its debut in February 2004, and as of mid-2005 ["Gannett"] had rolled out free weeklies in approximately 10 markets across the country. Although Gannett has shuttered at least one of its new launches in the first 18 months of operation, Insider has achieved significant readership reach already according to market research.

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RobertPolyn — 2005-12-14T15:30:54Z

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TomMaszerowski — 2005-12-14T15:16:37Z

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- ''2005-12-14 13:16:21'' [[nbsp]] I think it strives too hard to be hip, as if the writes have a list of "hip lingo" from which they pick and choose. But I'm way beyond the target demographic, so what do I know? --["TomMaszerowski"]	+ ''2005-12-14 13:16:21'' [[nbsp]] I think it strives too hard to be hip, as if the writers have a list of "hip lingo" from which they pick and choose. But I'm way beyond the target demographic, so what do I know? --["TomMaszerowski"]

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TomMaszerowski — 2005-12-14T15:16:21Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-12-14T12:27:44Z

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RobertPolyn — 2005-08-30T01:12:14Z

and then discovered the information was redundant!

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RobertPolyn — 2005-08-30T01:11:29Z

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FarMcKon — 2005-08-08T21:08:16Z

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FarMcKon — 2005-08-08T21:08:04Z

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JohnMoriello — 2005-08-06T14:07:25Z

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JohnMoriello — 2005-08-06T13:23:20Z

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JohnMoriello — 2005-08-06T13:22:20Z

Personality-deficient? I like that. It has a nice ring to it.

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JasonOlshefsky — 2005-08-06T12:54:21Z

Opinion wars!

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JohnMoriello — 2005-08-06T02:02:43Z

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JohnMoriello — 2005-08-06T02:00:13Z

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FarMcKon — 2005-06-15T22:34:04Z

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