Recent Changes for "Users/BenMargolis" - Rochester Wikihttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolisRecent Changes of the page "Users/BenMargolis" on Rochester Wiki.en-us https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=49&version2=50&ts=1249224009Users/BenMargolis2009-08-02T14:40:09ZBradMandellComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2009-08-02 10:40:09'' [[nbsp]] Hi Ben, I was editing ["Grove Place"] and saw your image uploads and note. I looked at the RochesterDowntown site, but could not find the posted photos anywhare. Just for clarity on any copyright issues, do they belong to RochesterDowntown and do we have specific permission to post the photos. Thanks, Brad --["Users/BradMandell"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=48&version2=49&ts=1215103757Users/BenMargolis2008-07-03T16:49:17ZbenmargolisAdded text to beginning <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hi, this is Ben. I have lived in Rochester since fall 2001, and continuously since fall 2002. Originally from New York City and a <span>recent</span> ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. I am relocating to Boston in August because ["RachelBlumenthal" Rachel] is going to grad school at BU. I'll be paying nearly twice as much for a worse apartment, woo hoo! However, it will be fun exploring a new city and seeing how other people live. Hopefully I will come back after that, though. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hi, this is Ben. I have lived in Rochester since fall 2001<span>&nbsp;for college</span>, and continuously since fall 2002. Originally from New York City and a <span>2005</span> ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. <span>Before I came here, I had never heard of Rochester. After hanging out with people that were from Rochester originally and were able to show me around, I started liking it. If you are a student, I definitely recommend staying over the summer to get a sense of what Rochester is like. When I was in college I started a business that did food delivery and online ordering for restaurants, but I have since pursued other interests. I was also in a band called People's Donut, later Element Groove, where I was playing reggae and funk on my saxophone. </span>I am relocating to Boston in August because ["RachelBlumenthal" Rachel] is going to grad school at BU. I'll be paying nearly twice as much for a worse apartment, woo hoo! However, it will be fun exploring a new city and seeing how other people live. Hopefully I will come back after that, though. </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=47&version2=48&ts=1215103458Users/BenMargolis2008-07-03T16:44:18ZbenmargolisAdded pic <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(BenMargolis1.jpg, 254 "Photo by [http://www.flickr.com/photos/blumiethekoala/ Rachel Blumenthal].", right, thumbnail)]]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=recall&version=47&ts=1215103338Users/BenMargolis2008-07-03T16:42:18ZbenmargolisUpload of image <a href="https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=Files&do=view&target=BenMargolis1.jpg">BenMargolis1.jpg</a>.https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=recall&version=47&ts=1215103237Users/BenMargolis2008-07-03T16:40:37ZbenmargolisImage <a href="https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=Files&do=view&target=BenMargolis1.jpg">BenMargolis1.jpg</a> deleted.https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=recall&version=47&ts=1215103163Users/BenMargolis2008-07-03T16:39:23ZbenmargolisUpload of image <a href="https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=Files&do=view&target=BenMargolis1.jpg">BenMargolis1.jpg</a>.https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=46&version2=47&ts=1215102316Users/BenMargolis2008-07-03T16:25:16ZbenmargolisChanged stuff <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Hi, this is Ben and I live in ["Buckingham Commons"]. Originally from New York City and a recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ Hi, this is Ben. I have lived in Rochester since fall 2001, and continuously since fall 2002. Originally from New York City and a recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. I am relocating to Boston in August because ["RachelBlumenthal" Rachel] is going to grad school at BU. I'll be paying nearly twice as much for a worse apartment, woo hoo! However, it will be fun exploring a new city and seeing how other people live. Hopefully I will come back after that, though.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 7: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ = Ramblings =<br> + <br> + * ["Users/BenMargolis/RestaurantComments"] - I wrote this because I felt that RocWiki has a disproportionate amount of negative comments for restaurants. Maybe people are more likely to comment when they've had a bad experience, or maybe that makes them feel sophisticated. Who knows? To back this up I should look at the ratio of positive and negative reviews on Yahoo, Yelp, etc. and compare it to RocWiki.<br> + <br> + = Things I care about =<br> + <br> + * ["Downtown"] revival and economic resurgence in Rochester and other cities with a similar plight<br> + * Supporting local businesses<br> + * Eating locally sourced ingredients when possible, and free-range meat when possible<br> + * Pedestrian friendly Rochester (Not having to wait 5 mins to cross the street :)<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=45&version2=46&ts=1215101420Users/BenMargolis2008-07-03T16:10:20Zbenmargolis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 7: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- = On Restaurant Comments =<br> - <br> - My Grandma, ninety-nine years young, always says, "If you like the service, tell your friends; if you don't, tell the management." I believe this is a good guideline to follow in the "comments" section of restaurant pages on RocWiki. Posting a comment is even more powerful than telling your friends, for it reaches the entire community. Negative comments do more harm to the restaurant than positive comments, and this type of PR will make locally owned restaurants less likely to succeed.<br> - <br> - Even a great restaurant is staffed by humans, humans make mistakes, and, if the restaurant is unlucky enough to have an insidious RocWiki editor as the customer, its reputation could be severly tarnished. On the other hand, if the food and service are well executed, and thus gets a positive comment on this wiki, it is simply making par, and the restaurant survives until the inevitable mistake. When that negative comment comes in, it makes the restaurant look unappealing. The less comments there are for a restaurant, the worse one individual negative comment will make the restaurant seem. At the dawn of 2007, restaurants are getting an average of 5 comments, which is low enough for any one negative comment to stand out. Most locally owned restaurants don't have the public relations capacity to correct their image, and, for many restaurants, RocWiki.org is their only Internet presence. Since RocWiki comments are mostly permanent, victim restaurants may never recover.<br> - <br> - Without the issue of web image, and seemingly unknownst to some RocWiki editors, the restaurant business is extremely tough. They need to manage food buying, employees, food preparation standards, seasonally changing menus, legal issues, cleanliness, delivery, and other tasks that make being a restaurant owner a hard, 24/7 job. Risking their livelihood in a trying economy, they spend millions on decor, advertising, salaries, and food costs. Restaurant servers are often overworked and underpaid. Their minimum wage is less than all other workers, because they can expect tips for their work. Many times, a RocWiki editor will nitpick a fine detail of the restaurant experience, and expose their story as a virtual tirade against the restaurant. Certain members of the RocWiki community only post negative comments. They don't consider the entire effort of serving food. One negative RocWiki comment makes all the restaurant's effort pointless.<br> - <br> - I say we help the brave souls who bring us delicious, creative food in a risky environment. Independent restauranteurs of Rochester: I salute your noble cause. Let's show more appreciation for these hard-working people and their contributions to the Rochester community. Think about the restaurants you've been to recently, and post comments if you liked them. If you didn't, let the management know, and then try it again a few times before posting a negative comment. We members who edit restaurant pages must understand and respect the power of RocWiki.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-02-06 04:08:09'' [[nbsp]] Okay, seriously now, a problem: all-positive reviews lack street cred. They seem orchestrated—what you're actually suggesting—and when readers figure it out, they discount the source, us. Such schemes also favor widely popular establishments over better but unknown ones. Popularity is a vicious cycle of positive feedback, breeding conventional wisdom, discouraging innovation and competition. Witness the challengers to the Dinosaur (which has served the same menu since opening) or potential challengers to Wegmans: no Trader Joe's, no downtown grocery. --["JohnLam"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-02-06 07:42:18'' [[nbsp]] I understand the desire to support independent restaurants, but I agree with John that holding back on negative comments isn't going to help them or RocWiki in the long run. Also, a lot of the nit-picky comments you reference were attached to restaurants where the bill for two with drinks is around $100. That's a significant investment, and it's OK to have high expectations when spending that much on dinner. --["RottenChester"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]]You're right to say something, Ben. Most of us who write reviews do so because we love food, and love eating out, so we certainly don't intend to cause any harm to the local rectaurant business. Honestly, I'll take a mediocre meal at a local dive over a meal at a chain any day. I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] for an example of negative criticism that isn't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-02-06 10:42:06'' [[nbsp]] Anyway, I think the best way to fight the oncoming tide of Applebees, Chilis, and Olive Gardens is to dine out at independent restaurants as much as possible, and write about it every time. It's well known that people talk about their bad experiences more often than their good ones. If we make it a point to write about every positive or negative experience we have, the positive reviews will surely outnumber the bad. I think I have written about 25 or so restaurants on here, and I can think of only one that was entirely negative. --["EastSideStephen"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-02-06 16:06:51'' [[nbsp]] First, let me say thank you for spending the time to voice your thoughts. Now, while I'm all for supporting independent restaurants, I don't think it's appropriate to ask RocWiki editors to hold back their opinions when writing comments. Rather, I would encourage some notice or method of encouraging readers to consider the source. I would guess that some people who read RocWiki don't take what's written here with a grain of salt, as they should. I think some people need to be informed that the wiki is very open and based on a limited number of viewpoints. That said, I also think we should encourage editors to make thorough comments and elaborate on what they did or did not like. I'll be the first to admit that many of my comments are not as well written as they could be. If someone does leave a vague comment, ask them to explain. --["StevenDibelius"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-03-22 21:14:22'' [[nbsp]] I agree with ["EastSideStephen"] that the best way accurately depict the quality of a restaurant is to have many people comment on it, good and bad. That will build a consensus. The negative comments can actually be useful to a restauranteur who wants to check up on the image of his establishment. So, if we're going to have comments on a wiki, let's encourage people to add their comments, whether they had a great experience or not. Then, the good restaurants will have more positive comments than bad. --["BenMargolis"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-03-31 17:24:36'' [[nbsp]] Ben, i'm not sure why a search for “RocWiki” at Google ranks my page so. Sometimes Far's IndustrialSomething appears second right after the ["Front Page"], and other times mine does. Yet other times it appears nowhere in the top 20. A search for [http://google.com/search?q=link:ROCwiki.org/JohnLam pages linking to my contributor page] reveals nothing, even though a few of my pages do link it. Maybe the sheer volume of pages needing indexing causes a [wiki:Wikipedia:race_condition] on Google. --["JohnLam"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-07-16 20:46:24'' [[nbsp]] Ben? Is there something special between you and restaurants? It would help me understand the poigniancy of your comments. Thank you for any further information. --["MichaelWildman"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-08-22 08:57:55'' [[nbsp]] @Michael - I believe Ben is an owner for some sort of web based business that seems to help restaurants reach customers, including handling delivery. --["BadFish"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-09-10 10:24:34'' [[nbsp]] Ben - I'm trying to reach you to invite Transitions to Digital Rochester's Get Connected! event in October - please drop me an email (The email we have on file for Transitions bounced...) --["SteveTylock"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-12-03 18:16:00'' [[nbsp]] Ben - While I understand your intentions (support locally-owned businesses) I don’t believe that your suggestions would really help achieving them. Others (JohnLam and StevenDibelius) have already expressed their concerns and I fully agree with them. I’d just like to add that, for me, Internet is becoming a terrific resource in discovering new restaurants (and foods and wines).<br> - When I started my journey in food and wine (almost 17 years ago) the only sources available were restaurant guides (mainly Michelin guide) and word of mouth. Moreover, “fine dining” restaurants were (and still are) very expensive in Italy, so it was really difficult to know someone who routinely visited more than a few of them. At the end, I relied on restaurant guides and tried to read most of them but, still, I felt sometime disappointed or cheated (did the author really visit the place? was the owner bribing the editors to get a more favorable review?); in addition, printed guides, published usually once per year, were really slow in discovering new restaurants or changes in already reviewed ones (change of ownership, a chef who left, ...)<br> - In the last 4-5 years, Internet has been radically changing this scenario: newsgroups and web sites allow people to share their opinions nearly in real time; now I can find dozens of reviews of the same place, and most of them are surprisingly very well written.<br> - I agree that anonymity (or semi-anonymity like what we have on RocWiki) could help people who just like posting negative comments and bashing others but, on the other side, I don’t think that a comment like “the service sucks” would really steer serious customers away. Also, enthusiastic reviews without substantive evidences are as fishy as destructive ones. Authors must build their reputation by editing pages and comments. Anyway, more education and awareness for casual users would be recommendable.<br> - Finally, what I do when I write a review is to clearly state my expectations and point out if they have been met or not, so readers can decide by themselves whether they care for the same things or not (and trust me or not, of course). I must add that, not being a native English speaker, my comments might be skewed by cultural gap: so, please, if you feel that my comments are unfair, misleading or simply not clear enough, just tell me so. --["AndreaCogliati"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-12-17 17:05:15'' [[nbsp]] @MichaelWildman and BadFish I am a former owner of FlavorStream, a restaurant consultancy that runs RochesterMenus.com as well as a few other websites. --["BenMargolis"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2008-03-05 11:55:28'' [[nbsp]] Hi Ben. I like the points you make. I worked at Perkins for a year or so, and I ended up doing a little bit of almost everything by the time I left. Running a restaurant is very hard work. Especially finding the right people to work there. It's a very stressful business, for sure; I appreciate the work that goes into it.<br> - The frontmen for any restaurant are its servers. Often times bad service can be the result of a series of cascading events for the day. Maybe the server has gotten bad tips, difficult customers, or the cooks have screwed up their orders. I understand the frustration that servers can bear, but ultimately, it's their job.<br> - <br> - Regarding this: "If you like the service, tell your friends; if you don't, tell the management." -- I disagree, in a way. Good food should outweigh the bad service. If I have great food at a restaurant, but poor service, the restaurant gets a good review in my eyes. Not only that, but I typically hate telling management about poor service, because ultimately, it could cost someone their job.<br> - <br> - To me, consistently poor food is worse. After all, we go out to EAT! :) --["VinceC"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=44&version2=45&ts=1204736266Users/BenMargolis2008-03-05T16:57:46ZVinceCadded to my comment. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 50: </td> <td> Line 50: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2008-03-05 11:55:28'' [[nbsp]] Hi Ben. I like the points you make. I worked at Perkins for a year or so, and I ended up doing a little bit of almost everything by the time I left. Running a restaurant is very hard work. Especially finding the right people to work there. It's a very stressful business, for sure; I appreciate the work that goes into it. --["VinceC"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2008-03-05 11:55:28'' [[nbsp]] Hi Ben. I like the points you make. I worked at Perkins for a year or so, and I ended up doing a little bit of almost everything by the time I left. Running a restaurant is very hard work. Especially finding the right people to work there. It's a very stressful business, for sure; I appreciate the work that goes into it.<br> + The frontmen for any restaurant are its servers. Often times bad service can be the result of a series of cascading events for the day. Maybe the server has gotten bad tips, difficult customers, or the cooks have screwed up their orders. I understand the frustration that servers can bear, but ultimately, it's their job.<br> + <br> + Regarding this: "If you like the service, tell your friends; if you don't, tell the management." -- I disagree, in a way. Good food should outweigh the bad service. If I have great food at a restaurant, but poor service, the restaurant gets a good review in my eyes. Not only that, but I typically hate telling management about poor service, because ultimately, it could cost someone their job.<br> + <br> + To me, consistently poor food is worse. After all, we go out to EAT! :) --["VinceC"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=43&version2=44&ts=1204736128Users/BenMargolis2008-03-05T16:55:28ZVinceCComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 49: </td> <td> Line 49: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-03-05 11:55:28'' [[nbsp]] Hi Ben. I like the points you make. I worked at Perkins for a year or so, and I ended up doing a little bit of almost everything by the time I left. Running a restaurant is very hard work. Especially finding the right people to work there. It's a very stressful business, for sure; I appreciate the work that goes into it. --["VinceC"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=42&version2=43&ts=1197929115Users/BenMargolis2007-12-17T22:05:15ZbenmargolisComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 47: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-12-17 17:05:15'' [[nbsp]] @MichaelWildman and BadFish I am a former owner of FlavorStream, a restaurant consultancy that runs RochesterMenus.com as well as a few other websites. --["BenMargolis"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=41&version2=42&ts=1196720215Users/BenMargolis2007-12-03T22:16:55ZAndreaCogliatiComment added <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2007-12-03 18:16:00'' [[nbsp]] My comment here --["AndreaCogliati"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2007-12-03 18:16:00'' [[nbsp]] Ben - While I understand your intentions (support locally-owned businesses) I don’t believe that your suggestions would really help achieving them. Others (JohnLam and StevenDibelius) have already expressed their concerns and I fully agree with them. I’d just like to add that, for me, Internet is becoming a terrific resource in discovering new restaurants (and foods and wines).<br> + When I started my journey in food and wine (almost 17 years ago) the only sources available were restaurant guides (mainly Michelin guide) and word of mouth. Moreover, “fine dining” restaurants were (and still are) very expensive in Italy, so it was really difficult to know someone who routinely visited more than a few of them. At the end, I relied on restaurant guides and tried to read most of them but, still, I felt sometime disappointed or cheated (did the author really visit the place? was the owner bribing the editors to get a more favorable review?); in addition, printed guides, published usually once per year, were really slow in discovering new restaurants or changes in already reviewed ones (change of ownership, a chef who left, ...)<br> + In the last 4-5 years, Internet has been radically changing this scenario: newsgroups and web sites allow people to share their opinions nearly in real time; now I can find dozens of reviews of the same place, and most of them are surprisingly very well written.<br> + I agree that anonymity (or semi-anonymity like what we have on RocWiki) could help people who just like posting negative comments and bashing others but, on the other side, I don’t think that a comment like “the service sucks” would really steer serious customers away. Also, enthusiastic reviews without substantive evidences are as fishy as destructive ones. Authors must build their reputation by editing pages and comments. Anyway, more education and awareness for casual users would be recommendable.<br> + Finally, what I do when I write a review is to clearly state my expectations and point out if they have been met or not, so readers can decide by themselves whether they care for the same things or not (and trust me or not, of course). I must add that, not being a native English speaker, my comments might be skewed by cultural gap: so, please, if you feel that my comments are unfair, misleading or simply not clear enough, just tell me so. --["AndreaCogliati"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=40&version2=41&ts=1196720160Users/BenMargolis2007-12-03T22:16:00ZAndreaCogliatiComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 41: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-12-03 18:16:00'' [[nbsp]] My comment here --["AndreaCogliati"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=39&version2=40&ts=1189434274Users/BenMargolis2007-09-10T14:24:34ZSteveTylockComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 39: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-09-10 10:24:34'' [[nbsp]] Ben - I'm trying to reach you to invite Transitions to Digital Rochester's Get Connected! event in October - please drop me an email (The email we have on file for Transitions bounced...) --["SteveTylock"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=38&version2=39&ts=1187787475Users/BenMargolis2007-08-22T12:57:55ZbadfishComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-08-22 08:57:55'' [[nbsp]] @Michael - I believe Ben is an owner for some sort of web based business that seems to help restaurants reach customers, including handling delivery. --["BadFish"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=37&version2=38&ts=1184633184Users/BenMargolis2007-07-17T00:46:24ZMichaelWildmanComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-07-16 20:46:24'' [[nbsp]] Ben? Is there something special between you and restaurants? It would help me understand the poigniancy of your comments. Thank you for any further information. --["MichaelWildman"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=36&version2=37&ts=1175379876Users/BenMargolis2007-03-31T22:24:36ZJohnLamComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-03-31 17:24:36'' [[nbsp]] Ben, i'm not sure why a search for “RocWiki” at Google ranks my page so. Sometimes Far's IndustrialSomething appears second right after the ["Front Page"], and other times mine does. Yet other times it appears nowhere in the top 20. A search for [http://google.com/search?q=link:ROCwiki.org/JohnLam pages linking to my contributor page] reveals nothing, even though a few of my pages do link it. Maybe the sheer volume of pages needing indexing causes a [wiki:Wikipedia:race_condition] on Google. --["JohnLam"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=35&version2=36&ts=1174616168Users/BenMargolis2007-03-23T02:16:08Zbenmargolis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2006-12-14 11:18:47'' [[nbsp]] Ben - I was thinking you might want to link yourself (and Steve if you can get him on here) at the Transitions page. --["DawnNicoleJohnson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-02-05 17:53:20'' [[nbsp]] 1) Grandma Eva rocks. 2) Nice essay, but what were you doing awake at 2:30 AM on a work night?? 3) I hardly edited your page...just fixed a few small errors :) --["RachelBlumenthal"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-02-05 22:27:48'' [[nbsp]] You scary scary guy :) --["PeterBoulay"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-02-06 02:18:43'' [[nbsp]] Ben, you're absolutely right. And to avoid shilling spam and unfair neutral points of view, we should balance the rest by striving for 80% negative comments. :-) --["JohnLam"]<br> - ------</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2007-02-06 23:43:43'' [[nbsp]] This page sucks. The service is terrible! --["AngryMcCrustypants"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-03-15 05:52:02'' [[nbsp]] Maybe his name is an oxymoron. I don't know how someone could be angry after having crusted his pants! --["JohnLam"]<br> - ------</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=34&version2=35&ts=1174616062Users/BenMargolis2007-03-23T02:14:22ZbenmargolisComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-03-22 21:14:22'' [[nbsp]] I agree with ["EastSideStephen"] that the best way accurately depict the quality of a restaurant is to have many people comment on it, good and bad. That will build a consensus. The negative comments can actually be useful to a restauranteur who wants to check up on the image of his establishment. So, if we're going to have comments on a wiki, let's encourage people to add their comments, whether they had a great experience or not. Then, the good restaurants will have more positive comments than bad. --["BenMargolis"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=33&version2=34&ts=1173956018Users/BenMargolis2007-03-15T10:53:38ZJohnLamamended my comment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-03-15 05:52:02'' [[nbsp]] Maybe his name is an oxymoron. I don't know how someone could be angry after having crusted <span>t</span>h<span>e</span>i<span>r</span> pants! --["JohnLam"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-03-15 05:52:02'' [[nbsp]] Maybe his name is an oxymoron. I don't know how someone could be angry after having crusted hi<span>s</span> pants! --["JohnLam"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=32&version2=33&ts=1173955922Users/BenMargolis2007-03-15T10:52:02ZJohnLamComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 41: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-03-15 05:52:02'' [[nbsp]] Maybe his name is an oxymoron. I don't know how someone could be angry after having crusted their pants! --["JohnLam"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=31&version2=32&ts=1170884507Users/BenMargolis2007-02-07T21:41:47ZRachelBlumenthal <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ["RachelBlumenthal"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["RachelBlumenthal"] (It's true; I'm a vandal! Oops...here I go again, editing your page...)</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=30&version2=31&ts=1170862788Users/BenMargolis2007-02-07T15:39:48Zeastsidestephen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]]You're right to say something, Ben. Most of us who write reviews do so because we love food, and love eating out, so we certainly don't intend to cause any harm to the local rectaurant business. Honestly, I'll take a mediocre meal at a local dive over a meal at a chain any day. I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] <span>or ["Nick Tahou's"] </span>for <span>some</span> example<span>s</span> of negative criticism that <span>are</span>n't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]]You're right to say something, Ben. Most of us who write reviews do so because we love food, and love eating out, so we certainly don't intend to cause any harm to the local rectaurant business. Honestly, I'll take a mediocre meal at a local dive over a meal at a chain any day. I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] for <span>an</span> example of negative criticism that <span>is</span>n't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=29&version2=30&ts=1170862669Users/BenMargolis2007-02-07T15:37:49Zeastsidestephenfine fine <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]]You're right to say something, Ben. Most of us who write reviews do so because we love food, and love eating out, so we certainly don't intend to cause any harm to the local rectaurant business. Honestly, I'll take a mediocre meal at a local dive over a meal at a chain any day. I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] or ["<span>Jay's Diner</span>"] for some examples of negative criticism that aren't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]]You're right to say something, Ben. Most of us who write reviews do so because we love food, and love eating out, so we certainly don't intend to cause any harm to the local rectaurant business. Honestly, I'll take a mediocre meal at a local dive over a meal at a chain any day. I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] or ["<span>Nick Tahou's</span>"] for some examples of negative criticism that aren't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=28&version2=29&ts=1170823667Users/BenMargolis2007-02-07T04:47:47ZAngryMcCrustypantsEastSideStephen's grammar sucks. I fixed it. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]]You're right to say something, Ben. Most of us who write reviews do so because we love food, and love eating out, so we certainly don't intend to cause any harm to the local rectaurant business. Honestly, I'll take a mediocre meal at a local dive over a meal at a chain any day. I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] or ["Jay's Diner"] for some examples of negative criticism that <span>is</span>n't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]]You're right to say something, Ben. Most of us who write reviews do so because we love food, and love eating out, so we certainly don't intend to cause any harm to the local rectaurant business. Honestly, I'll take a mediocre meal at a local dive over a meal at a chain any day. I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] or ["Jay's Diner"] for some examples of negative criticism that <span>are</span>n't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=27&version2=28&ts=1170823423Users/BenMargolis2007-02-07T04:43:43ZAngryMcCrustypantsComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 39: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-02-06 23:43:43'' [[nbsp]] This page sucks. The service is terrible! --["AngryMcCrustypants"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=26&version2=27&ts=1170797233Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T21:27:13ZStevenDibeliusClarified comment. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-02-06 16:06:51'' [[nbsp]] First, let me say thank you for spending the time to voice your thoughts. Now, while I'm all for supporting independent restaurants, I don't think it's appropriate to ask RocWiki editors to hold back their opinions. Rather, I would encourage some notice or method of encouraging readers to consider the source. I would guess that some people who read RocWiki don't take what's written here with a grain of salt, as they should. I think some people need to be informed that the wiki is very open and based on a limited number of viewpoints. That said, I also think we should encourage editors to make thorough comments and elaborate on what they did or did not like. I'll be the first to admit that many of my comments are not as well written as they could be. If someone does leave a vague comment, ask them to explain. --["StevenDibelius"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-02-06 16:06:51'' [[nbsp]] First, let me say thank you for spending the time to voice your thoughts. Now, while I'm all for supporting independent restaurants, I don't think it's appropriate to ask RocWiki editors to hold back their opinions<span>&nbsp;when writing comments</span>. Rather, I would encourage some notice or method of encouraging readers to consider the source. I would guess that some people who read RocWiki don't take what's written here with a grain of salt, as they should. I think some people need to be informed that the wiki is very open and based on a limited number of viewpoints. That said, I also think we should encourage editors to make thorough comments and elaborate on what they did or did not like. I'll be the first to admit that many of my comments are not as well written as they could be. If someone does leave a vague comment, ask them to explain. --["StevenDibelius"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=25&version2=26&ts=1170796011Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T21:06:51ZStevenDibeliusComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-02-06 16:06:51'' [[nbsp]] First, let me say thank you for spending the time to voice your thoughts. Now, while I'm all for supporting independent restaurants, I don't think it's appropriate to ask RocWiki editors to hold back their opinions. Rather, I would encourage some notice or method of encouraging readers to consider the source. I would guess that some people who read RocWiki don't take what's written here with a grain of salt, as they should. I think some people need to be informed that the wiki is very open and based on a limited number of viewpoints. That said, I also think we should encourage editors to make thorough comments and elaborate on what they did or did not like. I'll be the first to admit that many of my comments are not as well written as they could be. If someone does leave a vague comment, ask them to explain. --["StevenDibelius"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=24&version2=25&ts=1170778010Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T16:06:50ZeastsidestephenTYPO <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]]You're right to say something, Ben. Most of us who write reviews do so because we love food, and love eating out, so we certainly don't intend<span>t</span> to cause any harm to the local rectaurant business. Honestly, I'll take a mediocre meal at a local dive over a meal at a chain any day. I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] or ["Jay's Diner"] for some examples of negative criticism that isn't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]]You're right to say something, Ben. Most of us who write reviews do so because we love food, and love eating out, so we certainly don't intend to cause any harm to the local rectaurant business. Honestly, I'll take a mediocre meal at a local dive over a meal at a chain any day. I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] or ["Jay's Diner"] for some examples of negative criticism that isn't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=23&version2=24&ts=1170777790Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T16:03:10Zeastsidestephen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]] I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] or ["Jay's Diner"] for some examples of negative criticism that isn't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]]<span>You're right to say something, Ben. Most of us who write reviews do so because we love food, and love eating out, so we certainly don't intendt to cause any harm to the local rectaurant business. Honestly, I'll take a mediocre meal at a local dive over a meal at a chain any day. </span> I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] or ["Jay's Diner"] for some examples of negative criticism that isn't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=22&version2=23&ts=1170776526Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T15:42:06ZeastsidestephenComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-02-06 10:42:06'' [[nbsp]] Anyway, I think the best way to fight the oncoming tide of Applebees, Chilis, and Olive Gardens is to dine out at independent restaurants as much as possible, and write about it every time. It's well known that people talk about their bad experiences more often than their good ones. If we make it a point to write about every positive or negative experience we have, the positive reviews will surely outnumber the bad. I think I have written about 25 or so restaurants on here, and I can think of only one that was entirely negative. --["EastSideStephen"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=21&version2=22&ts=1170775605Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T15:26:45ZeastsidestephenComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-02-06 10:26:45'' [[nbsp]] I think as long as we're constructive with our criticism, we can keep the restaurant page useful. Check out the comments for ["Bruegger's"] or ["Jay's Diner"] for some examples of negative criticism that isn't constructive. If there's a problem, state what it is....don't just say "The service sucks" or "The Food is Terrible". --["EastSideStephen"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=20&version2=21&ts=1170765738Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T12:42:18ZrottenchesterComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 31: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-02-06 07:42:18'' [[nbsp]] I understand the desire to support independent restaurants, but I agree with John that holding back on negative comments isn't going to help them or RocWiki in the long run. Also, a lot of the nit-picky comments you reference were attached to restaurants where the bill for two with drinks is around $100. That's a significant investment, and it's OK to have high expectations when spending that much on dinner. --["RottenChester"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=19&version2=20&ts=1170752889Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T09:08:09ZJohnLamComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-02-06 04:08:09'' [[nbsp]] Okay, seriously now, a problem: all-positive reviews lack street cred. They seem orchestrated—what you're actually suggesting—and when readers figure it out, they discount the source, us. Such schemes also favor widely popular establishments over better but unknown ones. Popularity is a vicious cycle of positive feedback, breeding conventional wisdom, discouraging innovation and competition. Witness the challengers to the Dinosaur (which has served the same menu since opening) or potential challengers to Wegmans: no Trader Joe's, no downtown grocery. --["JohnLam"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=18&version2=19&ts=1170746323Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T07:18:43ZJohnLamComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 27: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-02-06 02:18:43'' [[nbsp]] Ben, you're absolutely right. And to avoid shilling spam and unfair neutral points of view, we should balance the rest by striving for 80% negative comments. :-) --["JohnLam"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=17&version2=18&ts=1170732468Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T03:27:48ZpetebComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-02-05 22:27:48'' [[nbsp]] You scary scary guy :) --["PeterBoulay"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=16&version2=17&ts=1170732342Users/BenMargolis2007-02-06T03:25:42ZbenmargolisEdited essay <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Without the issue of web image, and seemingly unknownst to some RocWiki editors, the restaurant business is extremely tough. They need to manage food buying, employees, food preparation standards, seasonally changing menus, legal issues, cleanliness, delivery, and other tasks that make being a restaurant owner a hard, 24/7 job. Risking their livelihood in a trying economy, they spend millions on decor, advertising, salaries, and food costs. Restaurant servers are often overworked and underpaid. Their minimum wage is less than all other workers, because they can expect tips for their work. Many times, a RocWiki editor will nitpick a fine detail of the restaurant experience, and expose their story as a virtual tirade against the restaurant. Certain members of the RocWiki community<span>, such as ["ChristineLeo"],</span> only post negative comments. They don't consider the entire effort of serving food. One negative RocWiki comment makes all the restaurant's effort pointless. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Without the issue of web image, and seemingly unknownst to some RocWiki editors, the restaurant business is extremely tough. They need to manage food buying, employees, food preparation standards, seasonally changing menus, legal issues, cleanliness, delivery, and other tasks that make being a restaurant owner a hard, 24/7 job. Risking their livelihood in a trying economy, they spend millions on decor, advertising, salaries, and food costs. Restaurant servers are often overworked and underpaid. Their minimum wage is less than all other workers, because they can expect tips for their work. Many times, a RocWiki editor will nitpick a fine detail of the restaurant experience, and expose their story as a virtual tirade against the restaurant. Certain members of the RocWiki community only post negative comments. They don't consider the entire effort of serving food. One negative RocWiki comment makes all the restaurant's effort pointless. </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=15&version2=16&ts=1170716000Users/BenMargolis2007-02-05T22:53:20ZRachelBlumenthalComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-02-05 17:53:20'' [[nbsp]] 1) Grandma Eva rocks. 2) Nice essay, but what were you doing awake at 2:30 AM on a work night?? 3) I hardly edited your page...just fixed a few small errors :) --["RachelBlumenthal"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=14&version2=15&ts=1170659345Users/BenMargolis2007-02-05T07:09:05ZbenmargolisAdded "People Other Than me who Have Edited my Page" &amp; "On Restaurant Comments" <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + = People Other Than me who Have Edited my Page =<br> + <br> + * ["RachelBlumenthal"]<br> + <br> + = On Restaurant Comments =<br> + <br> + My Grandma, ninety-nine years young, always says, "If you like the service, tell your friends; if you don't, tell the management." I believe this is a good guideline to follow in the "comments" section of restaurant pages on RocWiki. Posting a comment is even more powerful than telling your friends, for it reaches the entire community. Negative comments do more harm to the restaurant than positive comments, and this type of PR will make locally owned restaurants less likely to succeed.<br> + <br> + Even a great restaurant is staffed by humans, humans make mistakes, and, if the restaurant is unlucky enough to have an insidious RocWiki editor as the customer, its reputation could be severly tarnished. On the other hand, if the food and service are well executed, and thus gets a positive comment on this wiki, it is simply making par, and the restaurant survives until the inevitable mistake. When that negative comment comes in, it makes the restaurant look unappealing. The less comments there are for a restaurant, the worse one individual negative comment will make the restaurant seem. At the dawn of 2007, restaurants are getting an average of 5 comments, which is low enough for any one negative comment to stand out. Most locally owned restaurants don't have the public relations capacity to correct their image, and, for many restaurants, RocWiki.org is their only Internet presence. Since RocWiki comments are mostly permanent, victim restaurants may never recover.<br> + <br> + Without the issue of web image, and seemingly unknownst to some RocWiki editors, the restaurant business is extremely tough. They need to manage food buying, employees, food preparation standards, seasonally changing menus, legal issues, cleanliness, delivery, and other tasks that make being a restaurant owner a hard, 24/7 job. Risking their livelihood in a trying economy, they spend millions on decor, advertising, salaries, and food costs. Restaurant servers are often overworked and underpaid. Their minimum wage is less than all other workers, because they can expect tips for their work. Many times, a RocWiki editor will nitpick a fine detail of the restaurant experience, and expose their story as a virtual tirade against the restaurant. Certain members of the RocWiki community, such as ["ChristineLeo"], only post negative comments. They don't consider the entire effort of serving food. One negative RocWiki comment makes all the restaurant's effort pointless.<br> + <br> + I say we help the brave souls who bring us delicious, creative food in a risky environment. Independent restauranteurs of Rochester: I salute your noble cause. Let's show more appreciation for these hard-working people and their contributions to the Rochester community. Think about the restaurants you've been to recently, and post comments if you liked them. If you didn't, let the management know, and then try it again a few times before posting a negative comment. We members who edit restaurant pages must understand and respect the power of RocWiki.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=13&version2=14&ts=1170293714Users/BenMargolis2007-02-01T01:35:14ZRachelBlumenthalHow dare you make grammatical errors? Hmph. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hi, <span>T</span>his is Ben and I live in ["Buckingham Commons"]. Originally from New York City<span>, and</span> recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''.<span>&nbsp;After this edit, I will have more edits than ["RachelBlumenthal"].</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hi, <span>t</span>his is Ben and I live in ["Buckingham Commons"]. Originally from New York City<span>&nbsp;and a</span> recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=12&version2=13&ts=1170293628Users/BenMargolis2007-02-01T01:33:48ZRachelBlumenthal <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hi, This is Ben and I live in <span>the</span> Co<span>rn Hill neighborhood of the ["Roc</span>"]. Originally from New York City, and recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. After this edit, I will have more edits than ["RachelBlumenthal"]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hi, This is Ben and I live in <span>["Buckingham</span> Co<span>mmons</span>"]. Originally from New York City, and recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. After this edit, I will have more edits than ["RachelBlumenthal"]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=11&version2=12&ts=1166113127Users/BenMargolis2006-12-14T16:18:47ZDawnNicoleJohnsonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 7: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2006-12-14 11:18:47'' [[nbsp]] Ben - I was thinking you might want to link yourself (and Steve if you can get him on here) at the Transitions page. --["DawnNicoleJohnson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=10&version2=11&ts=1153922042Users/BenMargolis2006-07-26T13:54:02ZbenmargolisRemoved vandalism by ["RachelBlumenthal"] <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hi, This is Ben and I live in the Corn Hill neighborhood of the ["Roc"]. <span>R</span>ecent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. After this edit, I will have more edits than ["RachelBlumenthal"]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hi, This is Ben and I live in the Corn Hill neighborhood of the ["Roc"]. <span>Originally from New York City, and r</span>ecent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. After this edit, I will have more edits than ["RachelBlumenthal"]. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 7: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2006-07-24 16:19:38'' [[nbsp]] HEY! Jerk. You should be working, not trying to get more edits than me. I'm an unemployed bum, so you better watch out...soon I'll have way more edits than you could ever dream of. --["RachelBlumenthal"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=9&version2=10&ts=1153783178Users/BenMargolis2006-07-24T23:19:38ZRachelBlumenthalComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2006-07-24 16:19:38'' [[nbsp]] HEY! Jerk. You should be working, not trying to get more edits than me. I'm an unemployed bum, so you better watch out...soon I'll have way more edits than you could ever dream of. --["RachelBlumenthal"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=8&version2=9&ts=1153764519Users/BenMargolis2006-07-24T18:08:39ZbenmargolisRemoved old comments <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2006-01-27 01:49:20'' [[nbsp]] Ben, you should come over to ["Ant Hill"] Thursday for dinner, and give us the low down on Transitions. Leave me a comment if you are interested. --["FarMcKon"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=7&version2=8&ts=1153764478Users/BenMargolis2006-07-24T18:07:58ZbenmargolisRemoved text <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hi, This is Ben and I live in the Corn Hill neighborhood of the ["Roc"]. Recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. I <span>a</span>m<span>&nbsp;currently on a page creation and editing spree on ["RocWiki"], so</span> ["RachelBlumenthal"]<span>&nbsp;doesn't think I love her that much anymore</span>.<span>&nbsp;My main interests in Rochester are restaurants, city neighborhoods, new development projects, nightlife, retail, and economic development. And of course, ["RachelBlumenthal" Koala]. </span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hi, This is Ben and I live in the Corn Hill neighborhood of the ["Roc"]. Recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. <span>After this edit, </span>I <span>will have </span>m<span>ore edits than</span> ["RachelBlumenthal"]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=6&version2=7&ts=1139763023Users/BenMargolis2006-02-12T16:50:23Zbenmargolisdeleted some no-longer-needed comments <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 8: </td> <td> Line 8: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2006-01-31 15:01:04'' [[nbsp]] you can reach me at Jon (at symbol Ges here) Industrialsomething.org I'll remove this comment by thurs. --["FarMcKon"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-01-31 15:03:44'' [[nbsp]] Feel free to bring a significant Other, by the way. --["FarMcKon"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=5&version2=6&ts=1138727024Users/BenMargolis2006-01-31T17:03:44ZFarMcKonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2006-01-31 15:03:44'' [[nbsp]] Feel free to bring a significant Other, by the way. --["FarMcKon"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=4&version2=5&ts=1138726864Users/BenMargolis2006-01-31T17:01:04ZFarMcKonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 8: </td> <td> Line 8: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2006-01-31 15:01:04'' [[nbsp]] you can reach me at Jon (at symbol Ges here) Industrialsomething.org I'll remove this comment by thurs. --["FarMcKon"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=3&version2=4&ts=1138333760Users/BenMargolis2006-01-27T03:49:20ZFarMcKonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2006-01-27 01:49:20'' [[nbsp]] Ben, you should come over to ["Ant Hill"] Thursday for dinner, and give us the low down on Transitions. Leave me a comment if you are interested. --["FarMcKon"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=2&version2=3&ts=1137988895Users/BenMargolis2006-01-23T04:01:35ZRachelBlumenthalBen somehow forgot that I am one of his main interests in Rochester. Hmmmph. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hi, This is Ben and I live in the Corn Hill neighborhood of the ["Roc"]. Recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. I am currently on a page creation and editing spree on ["RocWiki"], so ["RachelBlumenthal"] doesn't think I love her that much anymore. My main interests in Rochester are restaurants, city neighborhoods, new development projects, nightlife, retail, and economic development. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hi, This is Ben and I live in the Corn Hill neighborhood of the ["Roc"]. Recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. I am currently on a page creation and editing spree on ["RocWiki"], so ["RachelBlumenthal"] doesn't think I love her that much anymore. My main interests in Rochester are restaurants, city neighborhoods, new development projects, nightlife, retail, and economic development. <span>&nbsp;And of course, ["RachelBlumenthal" Koala]. </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=1&version2=2&ts=1137988655Users/BenMargolis2006-01-23T03:57:35ZbenmargolisAdded stats and interests <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hi, This is Ben and I live in the Corn Hill neighborhood of the ["Roc"]. Recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. I am currently on a page creation and editing spree on ["RocWiki"], so ["RachelBlumenthal"] doesn't think I love her that much anymore. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hi, This is Ben and I live in the Corn Hill neighborhood of the ["Roc"]. Recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. I am currently on a page creation and editing spree on ["RocWiki"], so ["RachelBlumenthal"] doesn't think I love her that much anymore. <span>My main interests in Rochester are restaurants, city neighborhoods, new development projects, nightlife, retail, and economic development. <br> + <br> + [[Stats(BenMargolis)]]<br> + <br> + [[Comments()]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> https://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolishttps://rocwiki.org/Users/BenMargolis?action=diff&version1=0&version2=1&ts=1137988424Users/BenMargolis2006-01-23T03:53:44ZbenmargolisPage created <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/BenMargolis<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Hi, This is Ben and I live in the Corn Hill neighborhood of the ["Roc"]. Recent ["UR"] graduate, I am a web developer by profession and the VP of ["Transitions"] - ''Renewing Rochester Together''. I am currently on a page creation and editing spree on ["RocWiki"], so ["RachelBlumenthal"] doesn't think I love her that much anymore. </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div>