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- [http://www.frontiernet.net/~phurwitz] - - I'm a native Rochesterian. Went to Brighton, now live in Greece. Married to my best friend--we have one son--very proud of him. - - I'm a lawyer by profession. Hobbies include biking, camping, volunteer work. Like to read; but feel the need to get out and see what there is to be seen. - - [[Comments()]] - ------ - ''2006-05-08 14:33:30'' [[nbsp]] Welcome to RocWiki. I'd be interested to chat with you about RocWiki & Legal stuff if you have some free time. --["FarMcKon"] - ------ - ''2007-06-05 14:41:04'' [[nbsp]] Never been to the opera, just theater (as in plays) and mostly because it's what my wife does. --["TravisOwens"] - ------ - ''2007-11-16 14:59:27'' [[nbsp]] Not upset..i don't know you, so why should i waste time being upset? The attitude in which people have towards people providing a service (such as yourself) infuriates me. People are too damn cheap and too self centered to think "hey, this person gave me great service, here's a dollar." I'm sure you're the kind of person that stiffs your server if your food is cold too, right? --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-11-21 11:44:19'' [[nbsp]] It's obvious that you have never worked in food service enough to know that 9 times out of 10 cold food is not the fault of a waitres...rather, it's the kitchen staff. Do you want the server to stick her fingers in your food to see if it's cold after the cooks hand it to her? I think not. - Servers are the ones that suffer when food is late, cold, or the order is messed up. Rather than punish the person bringing the food, you should be upset with those preparing it. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-11-21 19:41:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh yes, and there is no need to be condescending. I am not a child, so you should not be speaking to me as one. I would not call you "young man" so there is no need to call me "missy." If you are expecting to go to a restaurant and have good service then you should also be a good customer. Being stingy and not seeing the bigger picture of restaurant work is pretty high up there on customer etiquette. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-11-23 12:08:02'' [[nbsp]] Apparently speaking to you is like speaking to a brick wall. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-11-23 13:52:15'' [[nbsp]] ["RIT"] has many brick walls! --["StevenDibelius"] - ------ - ''2007-12-01 12:48:30'' [[nbsp]] Seriously, get a life. You want to be a stingy bastard, so be it...no need to follow people around here to make a rude comment. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-12-03 13:25:45'' [[nbsp]] Mm, no but you have been condescending and snarky for no real reason. That is just as bad, in my book. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 10:33:33'' [[nbsp]] Phil -- quit the sarcastic little comments following MissGia. You look like a jackass. --["BadFish"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 17:45:33'' [[nbsp]] MrPhil-I redacted your comment on the Tops page again. Please stop posting unrelated comments on pages poking at MissGia. If you have issues-please take it to private email or leave it on her personal page. For further discussion, I would encourage you to join our google rocwiki email list @ rochesterwiki@googlegroups.com --["PeterBoulay"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 19:24:38'' [[nbsp]] - The rule you quote is directed at people who might delete others' comments because they disagree with them. Your comment was deleted because it was irrelevant to the page on which it was posted. This is common and acceptable. I'm sorry that you lack the judgement to see the difference. --["EastSideStephen"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 20:28:53'' [[nbsp]] If your comment had been in any way salient to Tops or in support or rebuttal of any comments, I would have gladly left it. However, you chose to place a personal jab that would make no sense to anyone save you and MissGia. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 20:29:21'' [[nbsp]] Phil, I suggest you read the ["Wiki Community/Offenses"] page a little more carefully, specifically this: - - ''This page is a rough outline of Offenses, and what we do about them. It's not a complete guide, it's not exact wording or arcane magic, so don't go Wiki-Lawyering on this'' - - The unwritten rule of the Wiki is don't be a jerk. You violated it. You can use the talk page I just created to make your case if you think we're being unfair. --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 23:48:56'' [[nbsp]] Pay them no mind. Some people on this list offend easily. --["MrPhil"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 00:02:50'' [[nbsp]] Communities mean getting involved. If you have concerns with the Rocwiki policies, then get involved. Come to the monthly meetings (which will start again in January) and/or sign up for the Rocwiki Community Email List- rochesterwiki@googlegroups.com -the more the merrier. --["PeterBoulay"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 00:12:14'' [[nbsp]] I am involved, so get off my page! :-) --["MrPhil"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 00:23:55'' [[nbsp]] I'm not going to get into an argument with you. RocWiki is not a government controlled forum, so in essence, none of us have first amendment rights, except as far as the rest of the community allows them to exercise them. - - I also want to say that I happen to agree with your additions to the Etiquette page. I would say, however, that since MissGia has asked you not to refer to her as Missy that you respect her wishes (which, for the record, you seem to be doing). - - You're not under attack, so please stop acting as if you were. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 00:32:17'' [[nbsp]] Despite what you think, We all get along, Some folks just having issues. All is well. --["MrPhil"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 01:09:58'' [[nbsp]] I haven't made any determinations. I'm just trying to help you understand the motivation behind the decisions with which you have such a problem. --["EastSideStephen"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 01:32:31'' [[nbsp]] As I have posted on the Google Groups list, I have to side with MrPhil on this issue of comments on the Tops page. While it may not be contributing to the content of the Tops page, it is not our place to decide what comments are or are not valuable. We had a rule in place that said to never delete or edit other users' comments. As long as it's not vulgar or obscene, we should leave it to the readers to decide what comments are useful and which are not. I would encourage all members of the wiki to stop deleting other people's comments unless they are A) vulgar or obscene, or B) on one's own user page. --["StevenDibelius"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 02:43:23'' [[nbsp]] My primary interests on this wiki are keeping the discourse from resembling Craigslist and keeping the content accurate, up-to-date and highly attractive to potential visitors and contributors. Beyond that I really don't care what you write. Have a good night. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 09:28:18'' [[nbsp]] - - Don't try and weasel out of it Phil. You want to make snide comments hiding behind a keyboard? Would Pam be proud of that? What about Austin? Would you like your clients to see this or do you only represent criminals who would think it is funny? What do you think voters would say if you made another try at it? Maybe they knew you acted like this. I originally was going to ask you when I could stop by 72 Long Pond today to see if you wanted to try and call me a bitch to my face but I figure you would twist that into some sort of threat and call the police and claim to be the victim. If you want to try and take the same tone with me in person, let me know and I will call you to set up an appointment to come on over. (I bet you think everyone on here is a pale, skinny little computer geek, huh?) By the way, isn't harrassment defined as "contact without legitimate intent of communication"? - "2007-11-16 14:57:30 Oh, poor, poor missgia upset. Too bad, so sad :-( —MrPhil " - "2007-11-22 11:23:50 To your room! Now!! No dinner for you young lady! —MrPhil " - If this were phone, in person or email, that might be actionable. --["BadFish"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 09:50:07'' [[nbsp]] Yes Phil, they are in fact, crazy. --["LanceReed"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 18:22:36'' [[nbsp]] The thread with BadFish needs to stop NOW. Just walk away. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-08 15:45:32'' [[nbsp]] i am asking you please, for the final time, to stop trolling me around this board commenting after me if it is not relevant. That is not the intention of this site, unless i have been misinformed. Please, leave me alone and use this site for it's intended purpose. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-12-09 01:34:21'' [[nbsp]] For the record, I emphatically reject that accusation. And this from a woman who has made disparaging comments about me (see above). --["MrPhil"] - ------ - ''2007-12-09 15:14:03'' [[nbsp]] If you sit by the river long enough, you'll see the body of your enemy float by. —AndreaCogliati - Now that is an example of a threat—or was it just a figure of speech? Who decides? —MrPhil - - MrPhil, please allow me to tell you that while your proposed policy states very good principles, some of your posts don’t seem to show good intentions to follow them. You say you do volunteer work and that gives you honor, I can’t believe you don’t see how harsh some comments of yours are. - - Regarding your question, I quoted an ancient and well known Chinese proverb, meaning, more or less, that fighting is often useless; if your adversaries engage in too many reckless battles, they will soon face defeat and you’ll have satisfaction without effort. - - Moreover, in my comments there is no direct reference to anybody, they are just common wisdom about Internet trolling in general. --["AndreaCogliati"]	+ deleted

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MrPhil — 2007-12-10T03:41:10Z

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- #redirect Phil_Hurwitz	+ [http://www.frontiernet.net/~phurwitz] + + I'm a native Rochesterian. Went to Brighton, now live in Greece. Married to my best friend--we have one son--very proud of him. + + I'm a lawyer by profession. Hobbies include biking, camping, volunteer work. Like to read; but feel the need to get out and see what there is to be seen. + + [[Comments()]] + ------ + ''2006-05-08 14:33:30'' [[nbsp]] Welcome to RocWiki. I'd be interested to chat with you about RocWiki & Legal stuff if you have some free time. --["FarMcKon"] + ------ + ''2007-06-05 14:41:04'' [[nbsp]] Never been to the opera, just theater (as in plays) and mostly because it's what my wife does. --["TravisOwens"] + ------ + ''2007-11-16 14:59:27'' [[nbsp]] Not upset..i don't know you, so why should i waste time being upset? The attitude in which people have towards people providing a service (such as yourself) infuriates me. People are too damn cheap and too self centered to think "hey, this person gave me great service, here's a dollar." I'm sure you're the kind of person that stiffs your server if your food is cold too, right? --["MissGia"] + ------ + ''2007-11-21 11:44:19'' [[nbsp]] It's obvious that you have never worked in food service enough to know that 9 times out of 10 cold food is not the fault of a waitres...rather, it's the kitchen staff. Do you want the server to stick her fingers in your food to see if it's cold after the cooks hand it to her? I think not. + Servers are the ones that suffer when food is late, cold, or the order is messed up. Rather than punish the person bringing the food, you should be upset with those preparing it. --["MissGia"] + ------ + ''2007-11-21 19:41:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh yes, and there is no need to be condescending. I am not a child, so you should not be speaking to me as one. I would not call you "young man" so there is no need to call me "missy." If you are expecting to go to a restaurant and have good service then you should also be a good customer. Being stingy and not seeing the bigger picture of restaurant work is pretty high up there on customer etiquette. --["MissGia"] + ------ + ''2007-11-23 12:08:02'' [[nbsp]] Apparently speaking to you is like speaking to a brick wall. --["MissGia"] + ------ + ''2007-11-23 13:52:15'' [[nbsp]] ["RIT"] has many brick walls! --["StevenDibelius"] + ------ + ''2007-12-01 12:48:30'' [[nbsp]] Seriously, get a life. You want to be a stingy bastard, so be it...no need to follow people around here to make a rude comment. --["MissGia"] + ------ + ''2007-12-03 13:25:45'' [[nbsp]] Mm, no but you have been condescending and snarky for no real reason. That is just as bad, in my book. --["MissGia"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 10:33:33'' [[nbsp]] Phil -- quit the sarcastic little comments following MissGia. You look like a jackass. --["BadFish"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 17:45:33'' [[nbsp]] MrPhil-I redacted your comment on the Tops page again. Please stop posting unrelated comments on pages poking at MissGia. If you have issues-please take it to private email or leave it on her personal page. For further discussion, I would encourage you to join our google rocwiki email list @ rochesterwiki@googlegroups.com --["PeterBoulay"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 19:24:38'' [[nbsp]] + The rule you quote is directed at people who might delete others' comments because they disagree with them. Your comment was deleted because it was irrelevant to the page on which it was posted. This is common and acceptable. I'm sorry that you lack the judgement to see the difference. --["EastSideStephen"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 20:28:53'' [[nbsp]] If your comment had been in any way salient to Tops or in support or rebuttal of any comments, I would have gladly left it. However, you chose to place a personal jab that would make no sense to anyone save you and MissGia. --["DaveMahon"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 20:29:21'' [[nbsp]] Phil, I suggest you read the ["Wiki Community/Offenses"] page a little more carefully, specifically this: + + ''This page is a rough outline of Offenses, and what we do about them. It's not a complete guide, it's not exact wording or arcane magic, so don't go Wiki-Lawyering on this'' + + The unwritten rule of the Wiki is don't be a jerk. You violated it. You can use the talk page I just created to make your case if you think we're being unfair. --["RottenChester"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 23:48:56'' [[nbsp]] Pay them no mind. Some people on this list offend easily. --["MrPhil"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 00:02:50'' [[nbsp]] Communities mean getting involved. If you have concerns with the Rocwiki policies, then get involved. Come to the monthly meetings (which will start again in January) and/or sign up for the Rocwiki Community Email List- rochesterwiki@googlegroups.com -the more the merrier. --["PeterBoulay"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 00:12:14'' [[nbsp]] I am involved, so get off my page! :-) --["MrPhil"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 00:23:55'' [[nbsp]] I'm not going to get into an argument with you. RocWiki is not a government controlled forum, so in essence, none of us have first amendment rights, except as far as the rest of the community allows them to exercise them. + + I also want to say that I happen to agree with your additions to the Etiquette page. I would say, however, that since MissGia has asked you not to refer to her as Missy that you respect her wishes (which, for the record, you seem to be doing). + + You're not under attack, so please stop acting as if you were. --["DaveMahon"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 00:32:17'' [[nbsp]] Despite what you think, We all get along, Some folks just having issues. All is well. --["MrPhil"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 01:09:58'' [[nbsp]] I haven't made any determinations. I'm just trying to help you understand the motivation behind the decisions with which you have such a problem. --["EastSideStephen"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 01:32:31'' [[nbsp]] As I have posted on the Google Groups list, I have to side with MrPhil on this issue of comments on the Tops page. While it may not be contributing to the content of the Tops page, it is not our place to decide what comments are or are not valuable. We had a rule in place that said to never delete or edit other users' comments. As long as it's not vulgar or obscene, we should leave it to the readers to decide what comments are useful and which are not. I would encourage all members of the wiki to stop deleting other people's comments unless they are A) vulgar or obscene, or B) on one's own user page. --["StevenDibelius"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 02:43:23'' [[nbsp]] My primary interests on this wiki are keeping the discourse from resembling Craigslist and keeping the content accurate, up-to-date and highly attractive to potential visitors and contributors. Beyond that I really don't care what you write. Have a good night. --["DaveMahon"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 09:28:18'' [[nbsp]] + + Don't try and weasel out of it Phil. You want to make snide comments hiding behind a keyboard? Would Pam be proud of that? What about Austin? Would you like your clients to see this or do you only represent criminals who would think it is funny? What do you think voters would say if you made another try at it? Maybe they knew you acted like this. I originally was going to ask you when I could stop by 72 Long Pond today to see if you wanted to try and call me a bitch to my face but I figure you would twist that into some sort of threat and call the police and claim to be the victim. If you want to try and take the same tone with me in person, let me know and I will call you to set up an appointment to come on over. (I bet you think everyone on here is a pale, skinny little computer geek, huh?) By the way, isn't harrassment defined as "contact without legitimate intent of communication"? + "2007-11-16 14:57:30 Oh, poor, poor missgia upset. Too bad, so sad :-( —MrPhil " + "2007-11-22 11:23:50 To your room! Now!! No dinner for you young lady! —MrPhil " + If this were phone, in person or email, that might be actionable. --["BadFish"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 09:50:07'' [[nbsp]] Yes Phil, they are in fact, crazy. --["LanceReed"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 18:22:36'' [[nbsp]] The thread with BadFish needs to stop NOW. Just walk away. --["DaveMahon"] + ------ + ''2007-12-08 15:45:32'' [[nbsp]] i am asking you please, for the final time, to stop trolling me around this board commenting after me if it is not relevant. That is not the intention of this site, unless i have been misinformed. Please, leave me alone and use this site for it's intended purpose. --["MissGia"] + ------ + ''2007-12-09 01:34:21'' [[nbsp]] For the record, I emphatically reject that accusation. And this from a woman who has made disparaging comments about me (see above). --["MrPhil"] + ------ + ''2007-12-09 15:14:03'' [[nbsp]] If you sit by the river long enough, you'll see the body of your enemy float by. —AndreaCogliati + Now that is an example of a threat—or was it just a figure of speech? Who decides? —MrPhil + + MrPhil, please allow me to tell you that while your proposed policy states very good principles, some of your posts don’t seem to show good intentions to follow them. You say you do volunteer work and that gives you honor, I can’t believe you don’t see how harsh some comments of yours are. + + Regarding your question, I quoted an ancient and well known Chinese proverb, meaning, more or less, that fighting is often useless; if your adversaries engage in too many reckless battles, they will soon face defeat and you’ll have satisfaction without effort. + + Moreover, in my comments there is no direct reference to anybody, they are just common wisdom about Internet trolling in general. --["AndreaCogliati"]

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MrPhil — 2007-12-10T03:15:36Z

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- [http://www.frontiernet.net/~phurwitz] - - I'm a native Rochesterian. Went to Brighton, now live in Greece. Married to my best friend--we have one son--very proud of him. - - I'm a lawyer by profession. Hobbies include biking, camping, volunteer work. Like to read; but feel the need to get out and see what there is to be seen. - - [[Comments()]] - ------ - ''2006-05-08 14:33:30'' [[nbsp]] Welcome to RocWiki. I'd be interested to chat with you about RocWiki & Legal stuff if you have some free time. --["FarMcKon"] - ------ - ''2007-06-05 14:41:04'' [[nbsp]] Never been to the opera, just theater (as in plays) and mostly because it's what my wife does. --["TravisOwens"] - ------ - ''2007-11-16 14:59:27'' [[nbsp]] Not upset..i don't know you, so why should i waste time being upset? The attitude in which people have towards people providing a service (such as yourself) infuriates me. People are too damn cheap and too self centered to think "hey, this person gave me great service, here's a dollar." I'm sure you're the kind of person that stiffs your server if your food is cold too, right? --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-11-21 11:44:19'' [[nbsp]] It's obvious that you have never worked in food service enough to know that 9 times out of 10 cold food is not the fault of a waitres...rather, it's the kitchen staff. Do you want the server to stick her fingers in your food to see if it's cold after the cooks hand it to her? I think not. - Servers are the ones that suffer when food is late, cold, or the order is messed up. Rather than punish the person bringing the food, you should be upset with those preparing it. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-11-21 19:41:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh yes, and there is no need to be condescending. I am not a child, so you should not be speaking to me as one. I would not call you "young man" so there is no need to call me "missy." If you are expecting to go to a restaurant and have good service then you should also be a good customer. Being stingy and not seeing the bigger picture of restaurant work is pretty high up there on customer etiquette. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-11-23 12:08:02'' [[nbsp]] Apparently speaking to you is like speaking to a brick wall. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-11-23 13:52:15'' [[nbsp]] ["RIT"] has many brick walls! --["StevenDibelius"] - ------ - ''2007-12-01 12:48:30'' [[nbsp]] Seriously, get a life. You want to be a stingy bastard, so be it...no need to follow people around here to make a rude comment. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-12-03 13:25:45'' [[nbsp]] Mm, no but you have been condescending and snarky for no real reason. That is just as bad, in my book. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 10:33:33'' [[nbsp]] Phil -- quit the sarcastic little comments following MissGia. You look like a jackass. --["BadFish"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 17:45:33'' [[nbsp]] MrPhil-I redacted your comment on the Tops page again. Please stop posting unrelated comments on pages poking at MissGia. If you have issues-please take it to private email or leave it on her personal page. For further discussion, I would encourage you to join our google rocwiki email list @ rochesterwiki@googlegroups.com --["PeterBoulay"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 19:24:38'' [[nbsp]] - The rule you quote is directed at people who might delete others' comments because they disagree with them. Your comment was deleted because it was irrelevant to the page on which it was posted. This is common and acceptable. I'm sorry that you lack the judgement to see the difference. --["EastSideStephen"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 20:28:53'' [[nbsp]] If your comment had been in any way salient to Tops or in support or rebuttal of any comments, I would have gladly left it. However, you chose to place a personal jab that would make no sense to anyone save you and MissGia. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 20:29:21'' [[nbsp]] Phil, I suggest you read the ["Wiki Community/Offenses"] page a little more carefully, specifically this: - - ''This page is a rough outline of Offenses, and what we do about them. It's not a complete guide, it's not exact wording or arcane magic, so don't go Wiki-Lawyering on this'' - - The unwritten rule of the Wiki is don't be a jerk. You violated it. You can use the talk page I just created to make your case if you think we're being unfair. --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 23:48:56'' [[nbsp]] Pay them no mind. Some people on this list offend easily. --["MrPhil"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 00:02:50'' [[nbsp]] Communities mean getting involved. If you have concerns with the Rocwiki policies, then get involved. Come to the monthly meetings (which will start again in January) and/or sign up for the Rocwiki Community Email List- rochesterwiki@googlegroups.com -the more the merrier. --["PeterBoulay"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 00:12:14'' [[nbsp]] I am involved, so get off my page! :-) --["MrPhil"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 00:23:55'' [[nbsp]] I'm not going to get into an argument with you. RocWiki is not a government controlled forum, so in essence, none of us have first amendment rights, except as far as the rest of the community allows them to exercise them. - - I also want to say that I happen to agree with your additions to the Etiquette page. I would say, however, that since MissGia has asked you not to refer to her as Missy that you respect her wishes (which, for the record, you seem to be doing). - - You're not under attack, so please stop acting as if you were. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 00:32:17'' [[nbsp]] Despite what you think, We all get along, Some folks just having issues. All is well. --["MrPhil"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 01:09:58'' [[nbsp]] I haven't made any determinations. I'm just trying to help you understand the motivation behind the decisions with which you have such a problem. --["EastSideStephen"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 01:32:31'' [[nbsp]] As I have posted on the Google Groups list, I have to side with MrPhil on this issue of comments on the Tops page. While it may not be contributing to the content of the Tops page, it is not our place to decide what comments are or are not valuable. We had a rule in place that said to never delete or edit other users' comments. As long as it's not vulgar or obscene, we should leave it to the readers to decide what comments are useful and which are not. I would encourage all members of the wiki to stop deleting other people's comments unless they are A) vulgar or obscene, or B) on one's own user page. --["StevenDibelius"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 02:43:23'' [[nbsp]] My primary interests on this wiki are keeping the discourse from resembling Craigslist and keeping the content accurate, up-to-date and highly attractive to potential visitors and contributors. Beyond that I really don't care what you write. Have a good night. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 09:28:18'' [[nbsp]] - - Don't try and weasel out of it Phil. You want to make snide comments hiding behind a keyboard? Would Pam be proud of that? What about Austin? Would you like your clients to see this or do you only represent criminals who would think it is funny? What do you think voters would say if you made another try at it? Maybe they knew you acted like this. I originally was going to ask you when I could stop by 72 Long Pond today to see if you wanted to try and call me a bitch to my face but I figure you would twist that into some sort of threat and call the police and claim to be the victim. If you want to try and take the same tone with me in person, let me know and I will call you to set up an appointment to come on over. (I bet you think everyone on here is a pale, skinny little computer geek, huh?) By the way, isn't harrassment defined as "contact without legitimate intent of communication"? - "2007-11-16 14:57:30 Oh, poor, poor missgia upset. Too bad, so sad :-( —MrPhil " - "2007-11-22 11:23:50 To your room! Now!! No dinner for you young lady! —MrPhil " - If this were phone, in person or email, that might be actionable. --["BadFish"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 09:50:07'' [[nbsp]] Yes Phil, they are in fact, crazy. --["LanceReed"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 18:22:36'' [[nbsp]] The thread with BadFish needs to stop NOW. Just walk away. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-08 15:45:32'' [[nbsp]] i am asking you please, for the final time, to stop trolling me around this board commenting after me if it is not relevant. That is not the intention of this site, unless i have been misinformed. Please, leave me alone and use this site for it's intended purpose. --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-12-09 01:34:21'' [[nbsp]] For the record, I emphatically reject that accusation. And this from a woman who has made disparaging comments about me (see above). --["MrPhil"] - ------ - ''2007-12-09 15:14:03'' [[nbsp]] If you sit by the river long enough, you'll see the body of your enemy float by. —AndreaCogliati - Now that is an example of a threat—or was it just a figure of speech? Who decides? —MrPhil - - MrPhil, please allow me to tell you that while your proposed policy states very good principles, some of your posts don’t seem to show good intentions to follow them. You say you do volunteer work and that gives you honor, I can’t believe you don’t see how harsh some comments of yours are. - - Regarding your question, I quoted an ancient and well known Chinese proverb, meaning, more or less, that fighting is often useless; if your adversaries engage in too many reckless battles, they will soon face defeat and you’ll have satisfaction without effort. - - Moreover, in my comments there is no direct reference to anybody, they are just common wisdom about Internet trolling in general. --["AndreaCogliati"]	+ #redirect Phil_Hurwitz

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-09 01:34:21'' [[nbsp]] For the record, I emphatically reject that accusation. And this from a woman who has made disparaging comments about me (see above). --["MrPhil"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 15:45:32'' [[nbsp]] i am asking you please, for the final time, to stop trolling me around this board commenting after me if it is not relevant. That is not the intention of this site, unless i have been misinformed. Please, leave me alone and use this site for it's intended purpose. --["MissGia"]

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- Don't try and weasel out of it Phil. You want to make snide comments hiding behind a keyboard? Would Pam be proud of that? What about Austin? Would you like your clients to see this or do you only represent criminals who would think it is funny? What do you think voters would say if you made another try at it? Maybe they knew you acted like this. I originally was going to ask you when I could stop by 72 Long Pond today to see if you wanted to try and call me a bitch to my face but I figure you would twist that into some sort of threat and call the police and claim to be the victim. If you want to try and take the same tone with me in person, let me know and I will call you to set up an appointment to come on over. (I bet you think everyone on here is a pale, skinny little computer geek, huh?) By the way, isn't harrassment defined as "contact --["BadFish"]	+ + Don't try and weasel out of it Phil. You want to make snide comments hiding behind a keyboard? Would Pam be proud of that? What about Austin? Would you like your clients to see this or do you only represent criminals who would think it is funny? What do you think voters would say if you made another try at it? Maybe they knew you acted like this. I originally was going to ask you when I could stop by 72 Long Pond today to see if you wanted to try and call me a bitch to my face but I figure you would twist that into some sort of threat and call the police and claim to be the victim. If you want to try and take the same tone with me in person, let me know and I will call you to set up an appointment to come on over. (I bet you think everyone on here is a pale, skinny little computer geek, huh?) By the way, isn't harrassment defined as "contact without legitimate intent of communication"? + "2007-11-16 14:57:30 Oh, poor, poor missgia upset. Too bad, so sad :-( —MrPhil " + "2007-11-22 11:23:50 To your room! Now!! No dinner for you young lady! —MrPhil " + If this were phone, in person or email, that might be actionable. --["BadFish"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 09:28:18'' [[nbsp]] + Don't try and weasel out of it Phil. You want to make snide comments hiding behind a keyboard? Would Pam be proud of that? What about Austin? Would you like your clients to see this or do you only represent criminals who would think it is funny? What do you think voters would say if you made another try at it? Maybe they knew you acted like this. I originally was going to ask you when I could stop by 72 Long Pond today to see if you wanted to try and call me a bitch to my face but I figure you would twist that into some sort of threat and call the police and claim to be the victim. If you want to try and take the same tone with me in person, let me know and I will call you to set up an appointment to come on over. (I bet you think everyone on here is a pale, skinny little computer geek, huh?) By the way, isn't harrassment defined as "contact --["BadFish"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 02:43:23'' [[nbsp]] My primary interests on this wiki are keeping the discourse from resembling Craigslist and keeping the content accurate, up-to-date and highly attractive to potential visitors and contributors. Beyond that I really don't care what you write. Have a good night. --["DaveMahon"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 01:32:31'' [[nbsp]] As I have posted on the Google Groups list, I have to side with MrPhil on this issue of comments on the Tops page. While it may not be contributing to the content of the Tops page, it is not our place to decide what comments are or are not valuable. We had a rule in place that said to never delete or edit other users' comments. As long as it's not vulgar or obscene, we should leave it to the readers to decide what comments are useful and which are not. I would encourage all members of the wiki to stop deleting other people's comments unless they are A) vulgar or obscene, or B) on one's own user page. --["StevenDibelius"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 01:09:58'' [[nbsp]] I haven't made any determinations. I'm just trying to help you understand the motivation behind the decisions with which you have such a problem. --["EastSideStephen"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 00:32:17'' [[nbsp]] Despite what you think, We all get along, Some folks just having issues. All is well. --["MrPhil"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 00:23:55'' [[nbsp]] I'm not going to get into an argument with you. RocWiki is not a government controlled forum, so in essence, none of us have first amendment rights, except as far as the rest of the community allows them to exercise them. + + I also want to say that I happen to agree with your additions to the Etiquette page. I would say, however, that since MissGia has asked you not to refer to her as Missy that you respect her wishes (which, for the record, you seem to be doing). + + You're not under attack, so please stop acting as if you were. --["DaveMahon"]

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peteb — 2007-12-07T04:06:35Z

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- ''2007-12-07 00:02:50'' [[nbsp]] If are not happy with policies on the wiki then get involved. Come to the monthly meetings (which will start again in January) and/or sign up for the Rocwiki Community email list- rochesterwiki@googlegroups.com. --["PeterBoulay"]	+ ''2007-12-07 00:02:50'' [[nbsp]] Communities mean getting involved. If you have concerns with the Rocwiki policies, then get involved. Come to the monthly meetings (which will start again in January) and/or sign up for the Rocwiki Community Email List- rochesterwiki@googlegroups.com -the more the merrier. --["PeterBoulay"]

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MrPhil — 2007-12-07T03:48:56Z

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rottenchester — 2007-12-07T00:35:03Z

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- The unwritten rule of the Wiki is don't be a jerk. You violated it. Join the list and plead your case if you think we're being unfair. --["RottenChester"]	+ The unwritten rule of the Wiki is don't be a jerk. You violated it. You can use the talk page I just created to make your case if you think we're being unfair. --["RottenChester"]

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rottenchester — 2007-12-07T00:30:41Z

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rottenchester — 2007-12-07T00:29:21Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-06 20:29:21'' [[nbsp]] Phil, I suggest you read the ["Wiki Community/Offenses"] page a little more carefully, specifically this: + + '''This page is a rough outline of Offenses, and what we do about them. It's not a complete guide, it's not exact wording or arcane magic, so don't go Wiki-Lawyering on this"''' + + The unwritten rule of the Wiki is don't be a jerk. --["RottenChester"]

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DaveMahon — 2007-12-07T00:28:53Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-06 20:28:53'' [[nbsp]] If your comment had been in any way salient to Tops or in support or rebuttal of any comments, I would have gladly left it. However, you chose to place a personal jab that would make no sense to anyone save you and MissGia. --["DaveMahon"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-06 19:24:38'' [[nbsp]] + The rule you quote is directed at people who might delete others' comments because they disagree with them. Your comment was deleted because it was irrelevant to the page on which it was posted. This is common and acceptable. I'm sorry that you lack the judgement to see the difference. --["EastSideStephen"]

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peteb — 2007-12-06T21:45:33Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-06 17:45:33'' [[nbsp]] MrPhil-I redacted your comment on the Tops page again. Please stop posting unrelated comments on pages poking at MissGia. If you have issues-please take it to private email or leave it on her personal page. For further discussion, I would encourage you to join our google rocwiki email list @ rochesterwiki@googlegroups.com --["PeterBoulay"]

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MissGia — 2007-12-03T17:25:45Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-03 13:25:45'' [[nbsp]] Mm, no but you have been condescending and snarky for no real reason. That is just as bad, in my book. --["MissGia"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-11-21 19:41:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh yes, and there is no need to be condescending. I am not a child, so you should not be speaking to me as one. I would not call you "young man" so there is no need to call me "missy." If you are expecting to go to a restaurant and have good service then you should also be a good customer. Being stingy and not seeing the bigger picture of restaurant work is pretty high up there on customer etiquette. --["MissGia"]

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MissGia — 2007-11-21T15:44:19Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-11-21 11:44:19'' [[nbsp]] It's obvious that you have never worked in food service enough to know that 9 times out of 10 cold food is not the fault of a waitres...rather, it's the kitchen staff. Do you want the server to stick her fingers in your food to see if it's cold after the cooks hand it to her? I think not. + Servers are the ones that suffer when food is late, cold, or the order is messed up. Rather than punish the person bringing the food, you should be upset with those preparing it. --["MissGia"]

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MissGia — 2007-11-16T18:59:27Z

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	+ ------ + ''2007-11-16 14:59:27'' [[nbsp]] Not upset..i don't know you, so why should i waste time being upset? The attitude in which people have towards people providing a service (such as yourself) infuriates me. People are too damn cheap and too self centered to think "hey, this person gave me great service, here's a dollar." I'm sure you're the kind of person that stiffs your server if your food is cold too, right? --["MissGia"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-06-05 14:41:04'' [[nbsp]] Never been to the opera, just theater (as in plays) and mostly because it's what my wife does. --["TravisOwens"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-05-08 14:33:30'' [[nbsp]] Welcome to RocWiki. I'd be interested to chat with you about RocWiki & Legal stuff if you have some free time. --["FarMcKon"]

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FarMcKon — 2006-05-08T16:33:04Z

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MrPhil — 2006-05-08T00:46:21Z

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- I'm a lawyer by profession. Hobbies include biking, camping, volunteer work. Like to read; but feel the need to get and see what there is to be seen.	+ I'm a lawyer by profession. Hobbies include biking, camping, volunteer work. Like to read; but feel the need to get out and see what there is to be seen.

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MrPhil — 2006-05-07T02:28:32Z

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	+ I'm a native Rochesterian. Went to Brighton, now live in Greece. Married to my best friend--we have one son--very proud of him. + + I'm a lawyer by profession. Hobbies include biking, camping, volunteer work. Like to read; but feel the need to get and see what there is to be seen.