Recent Changes for "Users/StevenDibelius" - Rochester Wiki

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2009-03-01T16:29:14Z

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- ===Me:=== - Currently, I live in the ["Park Ave Area" Park Avenue Neighborhood] and work at the ["University of Rochester" University of Rochester's] ["Rush Rhees Library"]. I am the deployment engineer for the [http://extensiblecatalog.info eXtensible Catalog Project], which currently entails testing software written for the project, reviewing and editing all documentation, and ensuring that our research partners are able to successfully install and use the software. - - I will be moving to the ["South Wedge"] in September. During three of my four years @ RIT, I lived in the ["19th Ward"]. - - Previously, I worked for 6 months at ["BlueTie"] as a Software Engineer, doing mainly JavaScript, CSS, and other front-end work. I have also co-oped at ["Thomson West"] as a Software Engineer (for 6 months in the summer/fall of 2006). - - ===RIT:=== - I graduated from ["RIT"] in March 2008 with a BS in Information Technology. My concentrations at RIT included Psychology, Software Engineering, and Website Development. I was also an active member of the [http://honors.rit.edu Honors Program] at RIT, and served as a student representative in the program for two years. The Honors Program also allowed me to do two research projects; one was on community networking, done in the summer of 2007. Specifically, I focused on what motivates people to participate in a community network, how a community network can help or hinder the development of social capital, and what types of community networks have been implemented in a variety of communities. RocWiki is an example of a community website. - - My other research project was focused on how accurately RocWiki portrays the Rochester community. This was done by analyzing all articles on the wiki that had a zip code associated with them, and seeing where articles were most highly concentrated, and then comparing the demographics of those areas to the overall demographics of Rochester community and of Monroe County, using US Census data. If anyone is interested in the results of that research, I'd be glad to share it with you (if I haven't lost it already), although most of it was very preliminary and not well developed. Certainly, nothing from the research was conclusive. - - ===My future plans:=== - I have decided (mainly through talking with my former professors at RIT, who have always been gracious with their time) that I need to continue exploring my career options beyond software engineering. 40 hours a week of cubicle computer work is not for me. With that in mind, I have settled on becoming a librarian. I'm hoping that I can find a job that will let me utilize my IT skills, but also have more person-to-person interaction and have work outside of my computer. I will be applying this fall/winter to Master's programs in [wiki:Wikipedia:Library_science Library Science] at the [http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/ University of Illinois], the [http://www.si.umich.edu/ University of Michigan], and the [http://www.ischool.washington.edu/ University of Washington]. I have selected these three programs for two reasons: 1) They get me out of upstate New York, where I have lived all my life, and 2) They have coursework and research in the field of [wiki:Wikipedia:Community_informatics Community Informatics], a field I researched a bit in undergrad and would like to dive deeper into. I will be applying for admission to start school in Fall 2009. - - ---- - - I have not used the wiki to any significant degree in quite some time, having been turned off by what I considered to be annoying debates not worth my time. I don't doubt that they needed to occur, but I simply wasn't interested in being involved. If I start contributing to the wiki again, it will likely be in a below-the-radar capacity of contributing content. I'm not sure if I'm interested in getting back into the administration and etiquette debates. - - ---- - - Website: [http://www.stevendibelius.com stevendibelius.com] - - - An incomplete list of my favorite things in Rochester (mostly restaurants, of course): - - * ["Little Theatre"] - * ["George Eastman House" Eastman House]/["Dryden Theatre"] - * ["Golden Port"]/["House of Sushi"] - * ["Highland Park Diner"] - * ["Hogans Hideaway"] - * ["Jine's"] - * ["John's Tex-Mex Eatery"] - * ["Juan and Maria's Empanada Stop"] - * ["The Old Toad"] - * ["Pickle Nick's"] (["Henrietta"] location) - * ["Sinbad's"] - * ["Magnolia's Deli & Cafe"] - * ["Cobbs Hill Pizza & Pasta"] - * ["Java's"] and ["Java Wally's"] - * ["Boulder Coffee Co."] - I may be one of the few on the wiki that like this place (and I say that with a smirk and a chuckle and am not interested in having a Boulder Coffee debate) - * ["Beers of the World"] - * ["Rohrbachs"] - * ["Goodwill" various Goodwills] - browsing the records and tacky mugs - - [[Stats(StevenDibelius)]] - - [[Comments]] - ------ - ''2007-04-02 13:57:46'' [[nbsp]] Steven, you may or may not have read or remember the issue of creating stub entries merely to remove them from ["Wanted Pages"]. The consensus here felt, sometimes strongly, the wiki ought not become a “glorified yellow pages”. Turning a page from Wanted into a stub removes it from radar and leaves the wiki filled with stubs. Our readers, knowing our pages rank highly at Google, might sense dismay upon visiting too many such stubs. For all our efforts, i doubt that's what we want for our reputation. Also, by racking up page counts, i feel it steals incentive from other contributors for taking time, effort, and risk to write substantive articles. Instead, to remedy too many pages wanted, edit and remove the misplaced want. --["JohnLam"] - ------ - ''2007-04-02 14:42:42'' [[nbsp]] My reasoning for creating stubs was that I felt some people may want to comment on something, but not want to put forth the effort of creating a page just to comment on it. So, by creating stubs, I'm just providing a base for people to work off of. However, I wasn't aware of any prior discussion on the issue, but if the rocwiki community has already come to a consensus on it then I won't bother creating such stubs. --["StevenDibelius"] - ------ - ''2007-04-02 14:47:11'' [[nbsp]] As for "racking up page counts", I wasn't aware that such numbers were incentive for people to contribute information. However, if that is important to other people, I will avoid creating stubs. --["StevenDibelius"] - ------ - ''2007-04-06 02:51:28'' [[nbsp]] Thanks, Steven. I might not have commented had you not created a dozen plus stubs all for restaurant chains which strive not for distinctiveness, originality, nor uniqueness, but for consistency across the brand. As such, they could be anywhere, not necessarily nor even specifically, Rochester. Editors have removed other generic pages and stubs. --["JohnLam"] - ------ - ''2007-04-06 07:27:47'' [[nbsp]] Stubs are on the radar - there's a ["Stub Pages List"] that's auto generated. I just put a note in the ["Wiki Guide"] to that effect. There's always been a tension between creating tiny pages and having no page at all. I don't think there's a settled opinion on this among wiki contributors. I don't see the page count as a competition, and I'm not ready to assume that everyone else sees it that way. Finally, I don't have an issue with including chain restaurants in the wiki. They're part of living in Rochester, just like the weather. --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2007-04-06 10:25:48'' [[nbsp]] I thought stubs were on the radar, the whole point of the macro, but upon searching for it, i missed, my eyes drawn to the colored bars instead, sorry…my error. ~ I'm not ready to assume everyone else sees page count as a competition either. I do know anecdotally some see it so. ~ I agree, too many stubs creates for readers a “glorified yellow pages”[[Footnote(cite: FarMcKon, in person, and somewhere in Peter Boulay's deleted comments)]], not an experience i would wish for them. Were the wiki turning into that, i wouldn't take time to edit and write higher quality entries. --["JohnLam"] - ------ - ''2007-12-04 14:41:21'' [[nbsp]] I made a tipping page so we can go and discuss those things in there. This way everyone can see it easier! :o) - http://rocwiki.org/Tipping --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 01:39:29'' [[nbsp]] Re: Phil -- My friend, are you serious? Have you not seen the other rude comments he has been making? --["BadFish"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 02:03:06'' [[nbsp]] Re Phil -- I respectfully disagree with you on the Tops comment. It is general practice to delete a page is which not Rochester specific. Editorial content on a page can and has been altered to take a neutral tone. If a user makes a [i]comment/[i] which is not germane to the page, or if it is only to goad or harass another user, why would that be exempt? I agree that MOST comments should not be deleted, but if the content of the comment is blatantly off topic, I say it can be deleted and/or edited, just as if it were on the main part of the page. --["BadFish"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 02:38:02'' [[nbsp]] Unfortunately, by the inherent nature of this wiki engine, there is no way of contacting everybody who contributes, let alone those Mysterious Anonymous Visitors. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 02:40:11'' [[nbsp]] As for the rules... well, if you'll permit me to get all wiki-lawyery on you, they're not rules; they're guidelines. MissGia and MrPhil were getting into a pissing match and taking it off the user pages. That's a lot of noise and we certainly have a record of removing or isolating meta commentary once the issue has been resolved. In this case, MrPhil underestimated the impact that his words would have on another contributor. Since his comment consisted of nothing more than an inside communication it REALLY didn't belong there. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 03:20:29'' [[nbsp]] No offense taken. I have a pretty thick hide anyway; I figure it's better for people to be hating on me, who can take it in stride, than some random person or business elsewhere. - - I fully agree with you and the attendees of those monthly Contributor's Meetings are working towards that goal. Unfortunately, rules can't handle every situation and sometimes you have to cool a fire until formalisms can be developed. As you can see, we're a lot more explicit now (with thanks to MrPhil for his contribution to the Etiquette page). --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 03:24:13'' [[nbsp]] Oh, and I hope you understand that the only comment I deleted was a joke gone wrong that insulted another contributor on a business page, a violation that was already covered on the Etiquette page. All of his other comments, for better or for worse, are still floating around on various pages. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 08:22:07'' [[nbsp]] As this episode illustrates, an open bulletin board (a/k/a wiki) is just that. Open. Regardless of what rules you come up with, you really have no consistent way of enforcing them, unless you make this a moderated forum. - - Of course, that would probably run counter to the principles that animate this wiki to begin with. - - For those of you who feel the need to police or censor this wiki, you are ultimately fighting a loosing battle, unless you go to a moderated format. --["MrPhil"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 08:29:34'' [[nbsp]] Stephen, I think you make a good point on process. It would have been better to create a Talk page, talk it over, and then make changes, if any, to the Wiki policy. --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2007-12-08 15:08:26'' [[nbsp]] Steven, I've copied my comment and yours about tipping from ["MissGia"] - to ["Tipping"]. If you agree, we can delete both comments from ["MissGia"] --["AndreaCogliati"] - ------ - ''2007-12-10 01:37:17'' [[nbsp]] Congratulations! --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-10 06:52:21'' [[nbsp]] Great news - looking forward to hearing about your RocWiki project. --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2007-12-15 13:36:11'' [[nbsp]] Have you taken a look at ["Wiki Community/Etiquette/Proposal"] yet? --["DaveMahon"]	+ No longer living in Rochester.

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2008-08-13T15:07:05Z

Moved small note.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 13:	Line 13:
- I have not used the wiki to any significant degree in quite some time, having been turned off by what I considered to be annoying debates not worth my time. I don't doubt that they needed to occur, but I simply wasn't interested in being involved. If I start contributing to the wiki again, it will likely be in a below-the-radar capacity of contributing content. I'm not sure if I'm interested in getting back into the administration and etiquette debates. -
Line 17:	Line 15:
	+ + ---- + + I have not used the wiki to any significant degree in quite some time, having been turned off by what I considered to be annoying debates not worth my time. I don't doubt that they needed to occur, but I simply wasn't interested in being involved. If I start contributing to the wiki again, it will likely be in a below-the-radar capacity of contributing content. I'm not sure if I'm interested in getting back into the administration and etiquette debates.

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2008-08-13T15:05:24Z

And future plans.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
	+ ===Me:===
Line 7:	Line 8:
	+ ===RIT:===
Line 12:	Line 14:
	+ + ===My future plans:=== + I have decided (mainly through talking with my former professors at RIT, who have always been gracious with their time) that I need to continue exploring my career options beyond software engineering. 40 hours a week of cubicle computer work is not for me. With that in mind, I have settled on becoming a librarian. I'm hoping that I can find a job that will let me utilize my IT skills, but also have more person-to-person interaction and have work outside of my computer. I will be applying this fall/winter to Master's programs in [wiki:Wikipedia:Library_science Library Science] at the [http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/ University of Illinois], the [http://www.si.umich.edu/ University of Michigan], and the [http://www.ischool.washington.edu/ University of Washington]. I have selected these three programs for two reasons: 1) They get me out of upstate New York, where I have lived all my life, and 2) They have coursework and research in the field of [wiki:Wikipedia:Community_informatics Community Informatics], a field I researched a bit in undergrad and would like to dive deeper into. I will be applying for admission to start school in Fall 2009.

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2008-08-13T14:53:39Z

Updates! (New job, new neighborhood, info on my RocWiki research)

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- ==Major Announcement #1== - I have accepted a full-time job offer at ["BlueTie"] as a Software Engineer and will be working there full-time beginning in March 2008, after I graduate. With a more normal schedule and a foreseeable future in the Rochester area, I am hoping to get more involved in RocWiki.	+ Currently, I live in the ["Park Ave Area" Park Avenue Neighborhood] and work at the ["University of Rochester" University of Rochester's] ["Rush Rhees Library"]. I am the deployment engineer for the [http://extensiblecatalog.info eXtensible Catalog Project], which currently entails testing software written for the project, reviewing and editing all documentation, and ensuring that our research partners are able to successfully install and use the software.
Line 4:	Line 3:
- ==Major Announcement #2== - My Senior Project at RIT will be focused on RocWiki. More details to come when I figure them out (should be sometime this week).	+ I will be moving to the ["South Wedge"] in September. During three of my four years @ RIT, I lived in the ["19th Ward"]. + + Previously, I worked for 6 months at ["BlueTie"] as a Software Engineer, doing mainly JavaScript, CSS, and other front-end work. I have also co-oped at ["Thomson West"] as a Software Engineer (for 6 months in the summer/fall of 2006). + + I graduated from ["RIT"] in March 2008 with a BS in Information Technology. My concentrations at RIT included Psychology, Software Engineering, and Website Development. I was also an active member of the [http://honors.rit.edu Honors Program] at RIT, and served as a student representative in the program for two years. The Honors Program also allowed me to do two research projects; one was on community networking, done in the summer of 2007. Specifically, I focused on what motivates people to participate in a community network, how a community network can help or hinder the development of social capital, and what types of community networks have been implemented in a variety of communities. RocWiki is an example of a community website. + + My other research project was focused on how accurately RocWiki portrays the Rochester community. This was done by analyzing all articles on the wiki that had a zip code associated with them, and seeing where articles were most highly concentrated, and then comparing the demographics of those areas to the overall demographics of Rochester community and of Monroe County, using US Census data. If anyone is interested in the results of that research, I'd be glad to share it with you (if I haven't lost it already), although most of it was very preliminary and not well developed. Certainly, nothing from the research was conclusive. + + I have not used the wiki to any significant degree in quite some time, having been turned off by what I considered to be annoying debates not worth my time. I don't doubt that they needed to occur, but I simply wasn't interested in being involved. If I start contributing to the wiki again, it will likely be in a below-the-radar capacity of contributing content. I'm not sure if I'm interested in getting back into the administration and etiquette debates.
Line 11:	Line 17:
- I am a 4th year ["RIT"] Information Technology major, and I will be graduating at the end of February 2008. My interests include web development and design, human-computer interaction, sociology and psychology as it relates to infromation technology, woodcarving, and photography.
Line 13:	Line 18:
- I currently live in the ["19th Ward"]. - - In the summer and fall of 2006 I co-oped at ["Thomson West"] and found quite a few good places to eat downtown. - - In the summer of 2007, I researched community networking; specifically, what motivates people to participate in a community network, how a community network can help or hinder the development of social capital, and what types of community networks have been implemented in the past. RocWiki is an example of a community website. - - An incomplete list of my favorite things in Rochester:	+ An incomplete list of my favorite things in Rochester (mostly restaurants, of course):
Line 31:	Line 30:
- * Either ["Sinbad's"] or ["Aladdin's Natural Eatery" Aladdin's] - can't quite pick	+ * ["Sinbad's"] + * ["Magnolia's Deli & Cafe"] + * ["Cobbs Hill Pizza & Pasta"]
Line 33:	Line 34:
	+ * ["Boulder Coffee Co."] - I may be one of the few on the wiki that like this place (and I say that with a smirk and a chuckle and am not interested in having a Boulder Coffee debate)
Line 34:	Line 36:
	+ * ["Rohrbachs"]
Line 35:	Line 38:
- - Nominees for the favorites list (I feel like I should visit them a few more times first): - - * ["Rohrbachs"] - * ["Magnolia's Deli & Cafe"] - * one of the ["Indian Food" Indian] restaurants - I have no clue which one I like best; your opinions are welcome. - * ["Cobbs Hill Pizza & Pasta"] - Might be my favorite pizza place, but there are so many I'm sure I haven't tried; again, I'd love to hear what other people think.

Users/StevenDibelius

ReyTucker — 2008-08-05T21:14:51Z

Revert to version 43 (toasted in upgrade).

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- #redirect Users/StevenDibelius	+ ==Major Announcement #1== + I have accepted a full-time job offer at ["BlueTie"] as a Software Engineer and will be working there full-time beginning in March 2008, after I graduate. With a more normal schedule and a foreseeable future in the Rochester area, I am hoping to get more involved in RocWiki.
Line 3:	Line 4:
- '''Note that these "group" pages are not how user groups are defined any more. To define user groups, go into Wiki Settings/Security !'''	+ ==Major Announcement #2== + My Senior Project at RIT will be focused on RocWiki. More details to come when I figure them out (should be sometime this week).
Line 5:	Line 7:
- '''Note that these "group" pages are not how user groups are defined any more. To define user groups, go into Wiki Settings/Security !'''	+ ---- + + Website: [http://www.stevendibelius.com stevendibelius.com] + + I am a 4th year ["RIT"] Information Technology major, and I will be graduating at the end of February 2008. My interests include web development and design, human-computer interaction, sociology and psychology as it relates to infromation technology, woodcarving, and photography. + + I currently live in the ["19th Ward"]. + + In the summer and fall of 2006 I co-oped at ["Thomson West"] and found quite a few good places to eat downtown. + + In the summer of 2007, I researched community networking; specifically, what motivates people to participate in a community network, how a community network can help or hinder the development of social capital, and what types of community networks have been implemented in the past. RocWiki is an example of a community website. + + An incomplete list of my favorite things in Rochester: + + * ["Little Theatre"] + * ["George Eastman House" Eastman House]/["Dryden Theatre"] + * ["Golden Port"]/["House of Sushi"] + * ["Highland Park Diner"] + * ["Hogans Hideaway"] + * ["Jine's"] + * ["John's Tex-Mex Eatery"] + * ["Juan and Maria's Empanada Stop"] + * ["The Old Toad"] + * ["Pickle Nick's"] (["Henrietta"] location) + * Either ["Sinbad's"] or ["Aladdin's Natural Eatery" Aladdin's] - can't quite pick + * ["Java's"] and ["Java Wally's"] + * ["Beers of the World"] + * ["Goodwill" various Goodwills] - browsing the records and tacky mugs + + Nominees for the favorites list (I feel like I should visit them a few more times first): + + * ["Rohrbachs"] + * ["Magnolia's Deli & Cafe"] + * one of the ["Indian Food" Indian] restaurants - I have no clue which one I like best; your opinions are welcome. + * ["Cobbs Hill Pizza & Pasta"] - Might be my favorite pizza place, but there are so many I'm sure I haven't tried; again, I'd love to hear what other people think. + + [[Stats(StevenDibelius)]] + + [[Comments]] + ------ + ''2007-04-02 13:57:46'' [[nbsp]] Steven, you may or may not have read or remember the issue of creating stub entries merely to remove them from ["Wanted Pages"]. The consensus here felt, sometimes strongly, the wiki ought not become a “glorified yellow pages”. Turning a page from Wanted into a stub removes it from radar and leaves the wiki filled with stubs. Our readers, knowing our pages rank highly at Google, might sense dismay upon visiting too many such stubs. For all our efforts, i doubt that's what we want for our reputation. Also, by racking up page counts, i feel it steals incentive from other contributors for taking time, effort, and risk to write substantive articles. Instead, to remedy too many pages wanted, edit and remove the misplaced want. --["JohnLam"] + ------ + ''2007-04-02 14:42:42'' [[nbsp]] My reasoning for creating stubs was that I felt some people may want to comment on something, but not want to put forth the effort of creating a page just to comment on it. So, by creating stubs, I'm just providing a base for people to work off of. However, I wasn't aware of any prior discussion on the issue, but if the rocwiki community has already come to a consensus on it then I won't bother creating such stubs. --["StevenDibelius"] + ------ + ''2007-04-02 14:47:11'' [[nbsp]] As for "racking up page counts", I wasn't aware that such numbers were incentive for people to contribute information. However, if that is important to other people, I will avoid creating stubs. --["StevenDibelius"] + ------ + ''2007-04-06 02:51:28'' [[nbsp]] Thanks, Steven. I might not have commented had you not created a dozen plus stubs all for restaurant chains which strive not for distinctiveness, originality, nor uniqueness, but for consistency across the brand. As such, they could be anywhere, not necessarily nor even specifically, Rochester. Editors have removed other generic pages and stubs. --["JohnLam"] + ------ + ''2007-04-06 07:27:47'' [[nbsp]] Stubs are on the radar - there's a ["Stub Pages List"] that's auto generated. I just put a note in the ["Wiki Guide"] to that effect. There's always been a tension between creating tiny pages and having no page at all. I don't think there's a settled opinion on this among wiki contributors. I don't see the page count as a competition, and I'm not ready to assume that everyone else sees it that way. Finally, I don't have an issue with including chain restaurants in the wiki. They're part of living in Rochester, just like the weather. --["RottenChester"] + ------ + ''2007-04-06 10:25:48'' [[nbsp]] I thought stubs were on the radar, the whole point of the macro, but upon searching for it, i missed, my eyes drawn to the colored bars instead, sorry…my error. ~ I'm not ready to assume everyone else sees page count as a competition either. I do know anecdotally some see it so. ~ I agree, too many stubs creates for readers a “glorified yellow pages”[[Footnote(cite: FarMcKon, in person, and somewhere in Peter Boulay's deleted comments)]], not an experience i would wish for them. Were the wiki turning into that, i wouldn't take time to edit and write higher quality entries. --["JohnLam"] + ------ + ''2007-12-04 14:41:21'' [[nbsp]] I made a tipping page so we can go and discuss those things in there. This way everyone can see it easier! :o) + http://rocwiki.org/Tipping --["MissGia"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 01:39:29'' [[nbsp]] Re: Phil -- My friend, are you serious? Have you not seen the other rude comments he has been making? --["BadFish"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 02:03:06'' [[nbsp]] Re Phil -- I respectfully disagree with you on the Tops comment. It is general practice to delete a page is which not Rochester specific. Editorial content on a page can and has been altered to take a neutral tone. If a user makes a [i]comment/[i] which is not germane to the page, or if it is only to goad or harass another user, why would that be exempt? I agree that MOST comments should not be deleted, but if the content of the comment is blatantly off topic, I say it can be deleted and/or edited, just as if it were on the main part of the page. --["BadFish"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 02:38:02'' [[nbsp]] Unfortunately, by the inherent nature of this wiki engine, there is no way of contacting everybody who contributes, let alone those Mysterious Anonymous Visitors. --["DaveMahon"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 02:40:11'' [[nbsp]] As for the rules... well, if you'll permit me to get all wiki-lawyery on you, they're not rules; they're guidelines. MissGia and MrPhil were getting into a pissing match and taking it off the user pages. That's a lot of noise and we certainly have a record of removing or isolating meta commentary once the issue has been resolved. In this case, MrPhil underestimated the impact that his words would have on another contributor. Since his comment consisted of nothing more than an inside communication it REALLY didn't belong there. --["DaveMahon"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 03:20:29'' [[nbsp]] No offense taken. I have a pretty thick hide anyway; I figure it's better for people to be hating on me, who can take it in stride, than some random person or business elsewhere. + + I fully agree with you and the attendees of those monthly Contributor's Meetings are working towards that goal. Unfortunately, rules can't handle every situation and sometimes you have to cool a fire until formalisms can be developed. As you can see, we're a lot more explicit now (with thanks to MrPhil for his contribution to the Etiquette page). --["DaveMahon"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 03:24:13'' [[nbsp]] Oh, and I hope you understand that the only comment I deleted was a joke gone wrong that insulted another contributor on a business page, a violation that was already covered on the Etiquette page. All of his other comments, for better or for worse, are still floating around on various pages. --["DaveMahon"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 08:22:07'' [[nbsp]] As this episode illustrates, an open bulletin board (a/k/a wiki) is just that. Open. Regardless of what rules you come up with, you really have no consistent way of enforcing them, unless you make this a moderated forum. + + Of course, that would probably run counter to the principles that animate this wiki to begin with. + + For those of you who feel the need to police or censor this wiki, you are ultimately fighting a loosing battle, unless you go to a moderated format. --["MrPhil"] + ------ + ''2007-12-07 08:29:34'' [[nbsp]] Stephen, I think you make a good point on process. It would have been better to create a Talk page, talk it over, and then make changes, if any, to the Wiki policy. --["RottenChester"] + ------ + ''2007-12-08 15:08:26'' [[nbsp]] Steven, I've copied my comment and yours about tipping from ["MissGia"] + to ["Tipping"]. If you agree, we can delete both comments from ["MissGia"] --["AndreaCogliati"] + ------ + ''2007-12-10 01:37:17'' [[nbsp]] Congratulations! --["DaveMahon"] + ------ + ''2007-12-10 06:52:21'' [[nbsp]] Great news - looking forward to hearing about your RocWiki project. --["RottenChester"] + ------ + ''2007-12-15 13:36:11'' [[nbsp]] Have you taken a look at ["Wiki Community/Etiquette/Proposal"] yet? --["DaveMahon"]

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2008-02-26T23:53:41Z

Updated info.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- ==Major Announcement #1== - I have accepted a full-time job offer at ["BlueTie"] as a Software Engineer and will be working there full-time beginning in March 2008, after I graduate. With a more normal schedule and a foreseeable future in the Rochester area, I am hoping to get more involved in RocWiki.	+ #redirect Users/StevenDibelius
Line 4:	Line 3:
- ==Major Announcement #2== - My Senior Project at RIT will be focused on RocWiki. More details to come when I figure them out (should be sometime this week).	+ '''Note that these "group" pages are not how user groups are defined any more. To define user groups, go into Wiki Settings/Security !'''
Line 7:	Line 5:
- ---- - - Website: [http://www.stevendibelius.com stevendibelius.com] - - I am a 4th year ["RIT"] Information Technology major, and I will be graduating at the end of February 2008. My interests include web development and design, human-computer interaction, sociology and psychology as it relates to infromation technology, woodcarving, and photography. - - I currently live in the ["19th Ward"]. - - In the summer and fall of 2006 I co-oped at ["Thomson West"] and found quite a few good places to eat downtown. - - In the summer of 2007, I researched community networking; specifically, what motivates people to participate in a community network, how a community network can help or hinder the development of social capital, and what types of community networks have been implemented in the past. RocWiki is an example of a community website. - - An incomplete list of my favorite things in Rochester: - - * ["Little Theatre"] - * ["George Eastman House" Eastman House]/["Dryden Theatre"] - * ["Golden Port"]/["House of Sushi"] - * ["Highland Park Diner"] - * ["Hogans Hideaway"] - * ["Jine's"] - * ["John's Tex-Mex Eatery"] - * ["Juan and Maria's Empanada Stop"] - * ["The Old Toad"] - * ["Pickle Nick's"] (["Henrietta"] location) - * Either ["Sinbad's"] or ["Aladdin's Natural Eatery" Aladdin's] - can't quite pick - * ["Java's"] and ["Java Wally's"] - * ["Beers of the World"] - * ["Goodwill" various Goodwills] - browsing the records and tacky mugs - - Nominees for the favorites list (I feel like I should visit them a few more times first): - - * ["Rohrbachs"] - * ["Magnolia's Deli & Cafe"] - * one of the ["Indian Food" Indian] restaurants - I have no clue which one I like best; your opinions are welcome. - * ["Cobbs Hill Pizza & Pasta"] - Might be my favorite pizza place, but there are so many I'm sure I haven't tried; again, I'd love to hear what other people think. - - [[Stats(StevenDibelius)]] - - [[Comments]] - ------ - ''2007-04-02 13:57:46'' [[nbsp]] Steven, you may or may not have read or remember the issue of creating stub entries merely to remove them from ["Wanted Pages"]. The consensus here felt, sometimes strongly, the wiki ought not become a “glorified yellow pages”. Turning a page from Wanted into a stub removes it from radar and leaves the wiki filled with stubs. Our readers, knowing our pages rank highly at Google, might sense dismay upon visiting too many such stubs. For all our efforts, i doubt that's what we want for our reputation. Also, by racking up page counts, i feel it steals incentive from other contributors for taking time, effort, and risk to write substantive articles. Instead, to remedy too many pages wanted, edit and remove the misplaced want. --["JohnLam"] - ------ - ''2007-04-02 14:42:42'' [[nbsp]] My reasoning for creating stubs was that I felt some people may want to comment on something, but not want to put forth the effort of creating a page just to comment on it. So, by creating stubs, I'm just providing a base for people to work off of. However, I wasn't aware of any prior discussion on the issue, but if the rocwiki community has already come to a consensus on it then I won't bother creating such stubs. --["StevenDibelius"] - ------ - ''2007-04-02 14:47:11'' [[nbsp]] As for "racking up page counts", I wasn't aware that such numbers were incentive for people to contribute information. However, if that is important to other people, I will avoid creating stubs. --["StevenDibelius"] - ------ - ''2007-04-06 02:51:28'' [[nbsp]] Thanks, Steven. I might not have commented had you not created a dozen plus stubs all for restaurant chains which strive not for distinctiveness, originality, nor uniqueness, but for consistency across the brand. As such, they could be anywhere, not necessarily nor even specifically, Rochester. Editors have removed other generic pages and stubs. --["JohnLam"] - ------ - ''2007-04-06 07:27:47'' [[nbsp]] Stubs are on the radar - there's a ["Stub Pages List"] that's auto generated. I just put a note in the ["Wiki Guide"] to that effect. There's always been a tension between creating tiny pages and having no page at all. I don't think there's a settled opinion on this among wiki contributors. I don't see the page count as a competition, and I'm not ready to assume that everyone else sees it that way. Finally, I don't have an issue with including chain restaurants in the wiki. They're part of living in Rochester, just like the weather. --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2007-04-06 10:25:48'' [[nbsp]] I thought stubs were on the radar, the whole point of the macro, but upon searching for it, i missed, my eyes drawn to the colored bars instead, sorry…my error. ~ I'm not ready to assume everyone else sees page count as a competition either. I do know anecdotally some see it so. ~ I agree, too many stubs creates for readers a “glorified yellow pages”[[Footnote(cite: FarMcKon, in person, and somewhere in Peter Boulay's deleted comments)]], not an experience i would wish for them. Were the wiki turning into that, i wouldn't take time to edit and write higher quality entries. --["JohnLam"] - ------ - ''2007-12-04 14:41:21'' [[nbsp]] I made a tipping page so we can go and discuss those things in there. This way everyone can see it easier! :o) - http://rocwiki.org/Tipping --["MissGia"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 01:39:29'' [[nbsp]] Re: Phil -- My friend, are you serious? Have you not seen the other rude comments he has been making? --["BadFish"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 02:03:06'' [[nbsp]] Re Phil -- I respectfully disagree with you on the Tops comment. It is general practice to delete a page is which not Rochester specific. Editorial content on a page can and has been altered to take a neutral tone. If a user makes a [i]comment/[i] which is not germane to the page, or if it is only to goad or harass another user, why would that be exempt? I agree that MOST comments should not be deleted, but if the content of the comment is blatantly off topic, I say it can be deleted and/or edited, just as if it were on the main part of the page. --["BadFish"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 02:38:02'' [[nbsp]] Unfortunately, by the inherent nature of this wiki engine, there is no way of contacting everybody who contributes, let alone those Mysterious Anonymous Visitors. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 02:40:11'' [[nbsp]] As for the rules... well, if you'll permit me to get all wiki-lawyery on you, they're not rules; they're guidelines. MissGia and MrPhil were getting into a pissing match and taking it off the user pages. That's a lot of noise and we certainly have a record of removing or isolating meta commentary once the issue has been resolved. In this case, MrPhil underestimated the impact that his words would have on another contributor. Since his comment consisted of nothing more than an inside communication it REALLY didn't belong there. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 03:20:29'' [[nbsp]] No offense taken. I have a pretty thick hide anyway; I figure it's better for people to be hating on me, who can take it in stride, than some random person or business elsewhere. - - I fully agree with you and the attendees of those monthly Contributor's Meetings are working towards that goal. Unfortunately, rules can't handle every situation and sometimes you have to cool a fire until formalisms can be developed. As you can see, we're a lot more explicit now (with thanks to MrPhil for his contribution to the Etiquette page). --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 03:24:13'' [[nbsp]] Oh, and I hope you understand that the only comment I deleted was a joke gone wrong that insulted another contributor on a business page, a violation that was already covered on the Etiquette page. All of his other comments, for better or for worse, are still floating around on various pages. --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 08:22:07'' [[nbsp]] As this episode illustrates, an open bulletin board (a/k/a wiki) is just that. Open. Regardless of what rules you come up with, you really have no consistent way of enforcing them, unless you make this a moderated forum. - - Of course, that would probably run counter to the principles that animate this wiki to begin with. - - For those of you who feel the need to police or censor this wiki, you are ultimately fighting a loosing battle, unless you go to a moderated format. --["MrPhil"] - ------ - ''2007-12-07 08:29:34'' [[nbsp]] Stephen, I think you make a good point on process. It would have been better to create a Talk page, talk it over, and then make changes, if any, to the Wiki policy. --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2007-12-08 15:08:26'' [[nbsp]] Steven, I've copied my comment and yours about tipping from ["MissGia"] - to ["Tipping"]. If you agree, we can delete both comments from ["MissGia"] --["AndreaCogliati"] - ------ - ''2007-12-10 01:37:17'' [[nbsp]] Congratulations! --["DaveMahon"] - ------ - ''2007-12-10 06:52:21'' [[nbsp]] Great news - looking forward to hearing about your RocWiki project. --["RottenChester"] - ------ - ''2007-12-15 13:36:11'' [[nbsp]] Have you taken a look at ["Wiki Community/Etiquette/Proposal"] yet? --["DaveMahon"]	+ '''Note that these "group" pages are not how user groups are defined any more. To define user groups, go into Wiki Settings/Security !'''

Users/StevenDibelius

DaveMahon — 2007-12-15T18:36:11Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 90:	Line 90:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-15 13:36:11'' [[nbsp]] Have you taken a look at ["Wiki Community/Etiquette/Proposal"] yet? --["DaveMahon"]

Users/StevenDibelius

rottenchester — 2007-12-10T10:52:21Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 88:	Line 88:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-10 06:52:21'' [[nbsp]] Great news - looking forward to hearing about your RocWiki project. --["RottenChester"]

Users/StevenDibelius

DaveMahon — 2007-12-10T05:37:17Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 86:	Line 86:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-10 01:37:17'' [[nbsp]] Congratulations! --["DaveMahon"]

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2007-12-10T05:34:43Z

Major Announcements!

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
	+ ==Major Announcement #1== + I have accepted a full-time job offer at ["BlueTie"] as a Software Engineer and will be working there full-time beginning in March 2008, after I graduate. With a more normal schedule and a foreseeable future in the Rochester area, I am hoping to get more involved in RocWiki. + + ==Major Announcement #2== + My Senior Project at RIT will be focused on RocWiki. More details to come when I figure them out (should be sometime this week). + + ---- +
Line 3:	Line 11:
- I am a 4th year ["RIT"] Information Technology major. My interests include web development and design, human-computer interaction, woodcarving, and photography, although I rarely have time to get to the latter two. As someone who is interested in web design, you'd think I'd have my own webpage, but I haven't quite set aside the time for that yet. I find editing my rocWiki page to be much easier.	+ I am a 4th year ["RIT"] Information Technology major, and I will be graduating at the end of February 2008. My interests include web development and design, human-computer interaction, sociology and psychology as it relates to infromation technology, woodcarving, and photography.

Users/StevenDibelius

AndreaCogliati — 2007-12-08T19:08:26Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 75:	Line 75:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 15:08:26'' [[nbsp]] Steven, I've copied my comment and yours about tipping from ["MissGia"] + to ["Tipping"]. If you agree, we can delete both comments from ["MissGia"] --["AndreaCogliati"]

Users/StevenDibelius

rottenchester — 2007-12-07T12:29:34Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 73:	Line 73:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 08:29:34'' [[nbsp]] Stephen, I think you make a good point on process. It would have been better to create a Talk page, talk it over, and then make changes, if any, to the Wiki policy. --["RottenChester"]

Users/StevenDibelius

MrPhil — 2007-12-07T12:22:07Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 67:	Line 67:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 08:22:07'' [[nbsp]] As this episode illustrates, an open bulletin board (a/k/a wiki) is just that. Open. Regardless of what rules you come up with, you really have no consistent way of enforcing them, unless you make this a moderated forum. + + Of course, that would probably run counter to the principles that animate this wiki to begin with. + + For those of you who feel the need to police or censor this wiki, you are ultimately fighting a loosing battle, unless you go to a moderated format. --["MrPhil"]

Users/StevenDibelius

DaveMahon — 2007-12-07T07:24:13Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 65:	Line 65:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 03:24:13'' [[nbsp]] Oh, and I hope you understand that the only comment I deleted was a joke gone wrong that insulted another contributor on a business page, a violation that was already covered on the Etiquette page. All of his other comments, for better or for worse, are still floating around on various pages. --["DaveMahon"]

Users/StevenDibelius

DaveMahon — 2007-12-07T07:20:29Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 61:	Line 61:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 03:20:29'' [[nbsp]] No offense taken. I have a pretty thick hide anyway; I figure it's better for people to be hating on me, who can take it in stride, than some random person or business elsewhere. + + I fully agree with you and the attendees of those monthly Contributor's Meetings are working towards that goal. Unfortunately, rules can't handle every situation and sometimes you have to cool a fire until formalisms can be developed. As you can see, we're a lot more explicit now (with thanks to MrPhil for his contribution to the Etiquette page). --["DaveMahon"]

Users/StevenDibelius

DaveMahon — 2007-12-07T06:40:11Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 59:	Line 59:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 02:40:11'' [[nbsp]] As for the rules... well, if you'll permit me to get all wiki-lawyery on you, they're not rules; they're guidelines. MissGia and MrPhil were getting into a pissing match and taking it off the user pages. That's a lot of noise and we certainly have a record of removing or isolating meta commentary once the issue has been resolved. In this case, MrPhil underestimated the impact that his words would have on another contributor. Since his comment consisted of nothing more than an inside communication it REALLY didn't belong there. --["DaveMahon"]

Users/StevenDibelius

DaveMahon — 2007-12-07T06:38:02Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 57:	Line 57:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 02:38:02'' [[nbsp]] Unfortunately, by the inherent nature of this wiki engine, there is no way of contacting everybody who contributes, let alone those Mysterious Anonymous Visitors. --["DaveMahon"]

Users/StevenDibelius

badfish — 2007-12-07T06:03:06Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 55:	Line 55:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 02:03:06'' [[nbsp]] Re Phil -- I respectfully disagree with you on the Tops comment. It is general practice to delete a page is which not Rochester specific. Editorial content on a page can and has been altered to take a neutral tone. If a user makes a [i]comment/[i] which is not germane to the page, or if it is only to goad or harass another user, why would that be exempt? I agree that MOST comments should not be deleted, but if the content of the comment is blatantly off topic, I say it can be deleted and/or edited, just as if it were on the main part of the page. --["BadFish"]

Users/StevenDibelius

badfish — 2007-12-07T05:39:29Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 53:	Line 53:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-07 01:39:29'' [[nbsp]] Re: Phil -- My friend, are you serious? Have you not seen the other rude comments he has been making? --["BadFish"]

Users/StevenDibelius

MissGia — 2007-12-04T18:41:21Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 50:	Line 50:
	+ ------ + ''2007-12-04 14:41:21'' [[nbsp]] I made a tipping page so we can go and discuss those things in there. This way everyone can see it easier! :o) + http://rocwiki.org/Tipping --["MissGia"]

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2007-08-29T19:42:17Z

Updated.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 7:	Line 7:
- Last summer I co-oped at ["Thomson West"] and found quite a few good places to eat downtown.	+ In the summer and fall of 2006 I co-oped at ["Thomson West"] and found quite a few good places to eat downtown.
Line 9:	Line 9:
- This summer, I will be doing research at RIT. I am studying the potential uses of community networks and websites, and how to measure the success of such websites. RocWiki is an example of a community website. - - I also hope to get around to building that personal website this summer, and to doing a few woodcarvings. If I get really ambitious, I might take out that old 35MM camera I picked up on eBay and take a few pictures (a Minolta XG-M, for those who are interested). I'd like to get out for a few rounds of golf too, or at least get to the driving range.	+ In the summer of 2007, I researched community networking; specifically, what motivates people to participate in a community network, how a community network can help or hinder the development of social capital, and what types of community networks have been implemented in the past. RocWiki is an example of a community website.

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2007-07-03T19:19:32Z

Updates, added website.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- I am a 3rd year ["RIT"] Information Technology major. My interests include web development and design, human-computer interaction, woodcarving, and photography, although I rarely have time to get to the latter two. As someone who is interested in web design, you'd think I'd have my own webpage, but I haven't quite set aside the time for that yet. I find editing my rocWiki page to be much easier.	+ Website: [http://www.stevendibelius.com stevendibelius.com] + + I am a 4th year ["RIT"] Information Technology major. My interests include web development and design, human-computer interaction, woodcarving, and photography, although I rarely have time to get to the latter two. As someone who is interested in web design, you'd think I'd have my own webpage, but I haven't quite set aside the time for that yet. I find editing my rocWiki page to be much easier.
Line 7:	Line 9:
- This summer, I will be doing research at RIT. I will be prototyping a government website for the purpose of facilitating democracy. The goals of my research are to provide an easy way for citizens to access information from their government and to facilitate communication between citizens and government. Part of my research will include examining tools like wikis for possible use on such a website.	+ This summer, I will be doing research at RIT. I am studying the potential uses of community networks and websites, and how to measure the success of such websites. RocWiki is an example of a community website.
Line 19:	Line 21:
	+ * ["John's Tex-Mex Eatery"]
Line 20:	Line 23:
	+ * ["The Old Toad"]
Line 29:	Line 33:
- * ["The Old Toad"] - * ["John's Tex-Mex Eatery"]

Users/StevenDibelius

JohnLam — 2007-04-06T14:25:48Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 48:	Line 48:
	+ ------ + ''2007-04-06 10:25:48'' [[nbsp]] I thought stubs were on the radar, the whole point of the macro, but upon searching for it, i missed, my eyes drawn to the colored bars instead, sorry…my error. ~ I'm not ready to assume everyone else sees page count as a competition either. I do know anecdotally some see it so. ~ I agree, too many stubs creates for readers a “glorified yellow pages”[[Footnote(cite: FarMcKon, in person, and somewhere in Peter Boulay's deleted comments)]], not an experience i would wish for them. Were the wiki turning into that, i wouldn't take time to edit and write higher quality entries. --["JohnLam"]

Users/StevenDibelius

rottenchester — 2007-04-06T11:37:14Z

put links in comment

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 47:	Line 47:
- ''2007-04-06 07:27:47'' [[nbsp]] Stubs are on the radar - there's a stub pages list that's auto generated. I just put a note in the editing guide to that effect. There's always been a tension between creating tiny pages and having no page at all. I don't think that there's a settled opinion on this among wiki contributors. I don't see the page count as a competition, and I'm not ready to assume that everyone else sees it that way. Finally, I don't have an issue with including chain restaurants in the wiki. They're part of living in Rochester, just like the weather. --["RottenChester"]	+ ''2007-04-06 07:27:47'' [[nbsp]] Stubs are on the radar - there's a ["Stub Pages List"] that's auto generated. I just put a note in the ["Wiki Guide"] to that effect. There's always been a tension between creating tiny pages and having no page at all. I don't think there's a settled opinion on this among wiki contributors. I don't see the page count as a competition, and I'm not ready to assume that everyone else sees it that way. Finally, I don't have an issue with including chain restaurants in the wiki. They're part of living in Rochester, just like the weather. --["RottenChester"]

Users/StevenDibelius

rottenchester — 2007-04-06T11:31:14Z

updated comment

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 47:	Line 47:
- ''2007-04-06 07:27:47'' [[nbsp]] Stubs are on the radar - there's a stub pages list that's auto generated. I just put a note in the editing guide to that effect. Also, I personally don't have an issue with someone adding chain restaurants to the wiki. They're part of living in Rochester. Also, I don't see the page count as a competition. There's always been a tension between creating tiny pages and having no page at all. I don't think that there's a settled opinion on this among wiki editors. --["RottenChester"]	+ ''2007-04-06 07:27:47'' [[nbsp]] Stubs are on the radar - there's a stub pages list that's auto generated. I just put a note in the editing guide to that effect. There's always been a tension between creating tiny pages and having no page at all. I don't think that there's a settled opinion on this among wiki contributors. I don't see the page count as a competition, and I'm not ready to assume that everyone else sees it that way. Finally, I don't have an issue with including chain restaurants in the wiki. They're part of living in Rochester, just like the weather. --["RottenChester"]

Users/StevenDibelius

rottenchester — 2007-04-06T11:27:47Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 46:	Line 46:
	+ ------ + ''2007-04-06 07:27:47'' [[nbsp]] Stubs are on the radar - there's a stub pages list that's auto generated. I just put a note in the editing guide to that effect. Also, I personally don't have an issue with someone adding chain restaurants to the wiki. They're part of living in Rochester. Also, I don't see the page count as a competition. There's always been a tension between creating tiny pages and having no page at all. I don't think that there's a settled opinion on this among wiki editors. --["RottenChester"]

Users/StevenDibelius

JohnLam — 2007-04-06T06:54:24Z

modded my comment

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 45:	Line 45:
- ''2007-04-06 02:51:28'' [[nbsp]] I might not have commented had you not created a dozen plus stubs all for restaurant chains which strive not for distinctiveness, originality, nor uniqueness, but for consistency across the brand. As such, they could be anywhere, not necessarily nor even specifically, Rochester. Editors have removed other generic pages and stubs. --["JohnLam"]	+ ''2007-04-06 02:51:28'' [[nbsp]] Thanks, Steven. I might not have commented had you not created a dozen plus stubs all for restaurant chains which strive not for distinctiveness, originality, nor uniqueness, but for consistency across the brand. As such, they could be anywhere, not necessarily nor even specifically, Rochester. Editors have removed other generic pages and stubs. --["JohnLam"]

Users/StevenDibelius

JohnLam — 2007-04-06T06:51:28Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 44:	Line 44:
	+ ------ + ''2007-04-06 02:51:28'' [[nbsp]] I might not have commented had you not created a dozen plus stubs all for restaurant chains which strive not for distinctiveness, originality, nor uniqueness, but for consistency across the brand. As such, they could be anywhere, not necessarily nor even specifically, Rochester. Editors have removed other generic pages and stubs. --["JohnLam"]

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2007-04-02T19:47:11Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 42:	Line 42:
	+ ------ + ''2007-04-02 14:47:11'' [[nbsp]] As for "racking up page counts", I wasn't aware that such numbers were incentive for people to contribute information. However, if that is important to other people, I will avoid creating stubs. --["StevenDibelius"]

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2007-04-02T19:42:42Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 40:	Line 40:
	+ ------ + ''2007-04-02 14:42:42'' [[nbsp]] My reasoning for creating stubs was that I felt some people may want to comment on something, but not want to put forth the effort of creating a page just to comment on it. So, by creating stubs, I'm just providing a base for people to work off of. However, I wasn't aware of any prior discussion on the issue, but if the rocwiki community has already come to a consensus on it then I won't bother creating such stubs. --["StevenDibelius"]

Users/StevenDibelius

JohnLam — 2007-04-02T19:10:07Z

Amended the quote! Proofread again, for want of a larger comment box.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 39:	Line 39:
- ''2007-04-02 13:57:46'' [[nbsp]] Steven, you may or may not have read or remember the last time the issue of creating stub entries merely to remove them from ["Wanted Pages"]. The consensus here felt, sometimes strongly, the wiki ought not become a “glorified telephone directory”. Turning a page from Wanted into a stub removes it from radar and leaves the wiki filled with stubs. Our readers, knowing our pages rank highly at Google, might sense dismay upon visiting too many such stubs. For all our efforts, i doubt that's what we want for our reputation. Also, by racking up page counts, i feel it steals incentive from other contributors for taking time, effort, and risk to write substantive articles. --["JohnLam"]	+ ''2007-04-02 13:57:46'' [[nbsp]] Steven, you may or may not have read or remember the issue of creating stub entries merely to remove them from ["Wanted Pages"]. The consensus here felt, sometimes strongly, the wiki ought not become a “glorified yellow pages”. Turning a page from Wanted into a stub removes it from radar and leaves the wiki filled with stubs. Our readers, knowing our pages rank highly at Google, might sense dismay upon visiting too many such stubs. For all our efforts, i doubt that's what we want for our reputation. Also, by racking up page counts, i feel it steals incentive from other contributors for taking time, effort, and risk to write substantive articles. Instead, to remedy too many pages wanted, edit and remove the misplaced want. --["JohnLam"]

Users/StevenDibelius

JohnLam — 2007-04-02T18:57:46Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 38:	Line 38:
	+ ------ + ''2007-04-02 13:57:46'' [[nbsp]] Steven, you may or may not have read or remember the last time the issue of creating stub entries merely to remove them from ["Wanted Pages"]. The consensus here felt, sometimes strongly, the wiki ought not become a “glorified telephone directory”. Turning a page from Wanted into a stub removes it from radar and leaves the wiki filled with stubs. Our readers, knowing our pages rank highly at Google, might sense dismay upon visiting too many such stubs. For all our efforts, i doubt that's what we want for our reputation. Also, by racking up page counts, i feel it steals incentive from other contributors for taking time, effort, and risk to write substantive articles. --["JohnLam"]

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2007-04-01T21:28:31Z

Added to favorites list.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 9:	Line 9:
- I also hope to get around to building that personal website this summer, and to doing a few woodcarvings. If I get really ambitious, I might take out that old 35MM camera I picked up on eBay and take a few pictures (a Minolta XG-M, for those who are interested).	+ I also hope to get around to building that personal website this summer, and to doing a few woodcarvings. If I get really ambitious, I might take out that old 35MM camera I picked up on eBay and take a few pictures (a Minolta XG-M, for those who are interested). I'd like to get out for a few rounds of golf too, or at least get to the driving range.
Line 11:	Line 11:
- I feel like I should do some sort of favorites list in here too. At the moment, it's 1 in the morning and I'm not sure if I'm up for it. I'll jot down a few things that come to mind for now:	+ An incomplete list of my favorite things in Rochester:
Line 14:	Line 14:
	+ * ["George Eastman House" Eastman House]/["Dryden Theatre"] + * ["Golden Port"]/["House of Sushi"] + * ["Highland Park Diner"]
Line 15:	Line 18:
- * ["Highland Park Diner"] - * Either ["Sinbad's"] or ["Aladdin's Natural Eatery"] - can't quite pick	+ * ["Jine's"] + * ["Juan and Maria's Empanada Stop"] + * ["Pickle Nick's"] (["Henrietta"] location) + * Either ["Sinbad's"] or ["Aladdin's Natural Eatery" Aladdin's] - can't quite pick
Line 18:	Line 23:
	+ * ["Beers of the World"] + * ["Goodwill" various Goodwills] - browsing the records and tacky mugs
Line 19:	Line 26:
- I'll have to work on that...	+ Nominees for the favorites list (I feel like I should visit them a few more times first): + + * ["Rohrbachs"] + * ["The Old Toad"] + * ["John's Tex-Mex Eatery"] + * ["Magnolia's Deli & Cafe"] + * one of the ["Indian Food" Indian] restaurants - I have no clue which one I like best; your opinions are welcome. + * ["Cobbs Hill Pizza & Pasta"] - Might be my favorite pizza place, but there are so many I'm sure I haven't tried; again, I'd love to hear what other people think.

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2007-03-28T17:13:24Z

Minor edits.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- I am a 3rd year ["RIT"] Information Technology major. My interests include web development, human-computer interaction, woodcarving, and photography, although I rarely have time to get to the latter two. As someone who is interested in web development, you'd think I'd have my own webpage, but I haven't quite set aside the time for that yet. I find editing my rocWiki page to be much easier.	+ I am a 3rd year ["RIT"] Information Technology major. My interests include web development and design, human-computer interaction, woodcarving, and photography, although I rarely have time to get to the latter two. As someone who is interested in web design, you'd think I'd have my own webpage, but I haven't quite set aside the time for that yet. I find editing my rocWiki page to be much easier.

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2007-03-28T05:07:40Z

Added info!

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- 3rd year ["RIT"] Information Technology student. Currently resides in the ["19th Ward"]. Co-oped at ["Thomson West"].	+ I am a 3rd year ["RIT"] Information Technology major. My interests include web development, human-computer interaction, woodcarving, and photography, although I rarely have time to get to the latter two. As someone who is interested in web development, you'd think I'd have my own webpage, but I haven't quite set aside the time for that yet. I find editing my rocWiki page to be much easier. + + I currently live in the ["19th Ward"]. + + Last summer I co-oped at ["Thomson West"] and found quite a few good places to eat downtown. + + This summer, I will be doing research at RIT. I will be prototyping a government website for the purpose of facilitating democracy. The goals of my research are to provide an easy way for citizens to access information from their government and to facilitate communication between citizens and government. Part of my research will include examining tools like wikis for possible use on such a website. + + I also hope to get around to building that personal website this summer, and to doing a few woodcarvings. If I get really ambitious, I might take out that old 35MM camera I picked up on eBay and take a few pictures (a Minolta XG-M, for those who are interested). + + I feel like I should do some sort of favorites list in here too. At the moment, it's 1 in the morning and I'm not sure if I'm up for it. I'll jot down a few things that come to mind for now: + + * ["Little Theatre"] + * ["Hogans Hideaway"] + * ["Highland Park Diner"] + * Either ["Sinbad's"] or ["Aladdin's Natural Eatery"] - can't quite pick + * ["Java's"] and ["Java Wally's"] + + I'll have to work on that...

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2007-02-08T01:54:45Z

Updated.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 6:	Line 6:
- ------ - ''2006-11-29 20:52:14'' [[nbsp]] I am quite honored to be ["The DamnHippy"]. --["StevenDibelius"]

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2007-01-29T02:44:28Z

Removed old conversation.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 8:	Line 8:
- ------ - ''2006-12-28 21:34:45'' [[nbsp]] Just curious where the wiki links you're adding are-not seeing them... --["PeterBoulay"] - ------ - ''2006-12-28 22:35:54'' [[nbsp]] Perhaps wiki link isn't exactly the correct term, but what I was doing was going down the "Outgoing Links" page and adding links to pages that had zero. It consisted mostly of putting the brackets and quotes around words that were already there. --["StevenDibelius"]

Users/StevenDibelius

peteb — 2007-01-02T23:00:07Z

Removed an older comment from me

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 7:	Line 7:
- ''2006-11-16 14:49:20'' [[nbsp]] Steven-please start linking restaurants to the appropriate page in the restaurant section....otherwise ppl won't see them --["PeterBoulay"] - ------

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2006-12-29T03:35:54Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 12:	Line 12:
	+ ------ + ''2006-12-28 22:35:54'' [[nbsp]] Perhaps wiki link isn't exactly the correct term, but what I was doing was going down the "Outgoing Links" page and adding links to pages that had zero. It consisted mostly of putting the brackets and quotes around words that were already there. --["StevenDibelius"]

Users/StevenDibelius

peteb — 2006-12-29T02:34:45Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 10:	Line 10:
	+ ------ + ''2006-12-28 21:34:45'' [[nbsp]] Just curious where the wiki links you're adding are-not seeing them... --["PeterBoulay"]

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2006-12-03T21:38:37Z

Updated co-op.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- 3rd year ["RIT"] Information Technology student. Currently resides in the ["19th Ward"]. Currently is co-oping (interning) at ["Thomson West"] in downtown Rochester.	+ 3rd year ["RIT"] Information Technology student. Currently resides in the ["19th Ward"]. Co-oped at ["Thomson West"].

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2006-11-30T01:52:14Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 8:	Line 8:
	+ ------ + ''2006-11-29 20:52:14'' [[nbsp]] I am quite honored to be ["The DamnHippy"]. --["StevenDibelius"]

Users/StevenDibelius

peteb — 2006-11-16T19:49:20Z

Comment added.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 6:	Line 6:
	+ ------ + ''2006-11-16 14:49:20'' [[nbsp]] Steven-please start linking restaurants to the appropriate page in the restaurant section....otherwise ppl won't see them --["PeterBoulay"]

Users/StevenDibelius

peteb — 2006-11-16T19:48:46Z

Added comments

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 4:	Line 4:
	+ + [[Comments]]

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2006-11-15T22:50:27Z

Added wiki link for "Thomson West".

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- 3rd year ["RIT"] Information Technology student. Currently resides in the ["19th Ward"]. Currently is co-oping (interning) at Thomson West in downtown Rochester.	+ 3rd year ["RIT"] Information Technology student. Currently resides in the ["19th Ward"]. Currently is co-oping (interning) at ["Thomson West"] in downtown Rochester.

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2006-11-14T18:47:35Z

Added links.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- 3rd year RIT Information Technology student. Currently resides in the 19th ward. Currently is co-oping (interning) at Thomson West in downtown Rochester.	+ 3rd year ["RIT"] Information Technology student. Currently resides in the ["19th Ward"]. Currently is co-oping (interning) at Thomson West in downtown Rochester.

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2006-11-13T22:35:01Z

Added stats.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 2:	Line 2:
	+ + [[Stats(StevenDibelius)]]

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2006-11-13T20:59:09Z

Changed major.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- 3rd year RIT Software Engineering student. Currently resides in the 19th ward. Currently is co-oping (interning) at Thomson West in downtown Rochester.	+ 3rd year RIT Information Technology student. Currently resides in the 19th ward. Currently is co-oping (interning) at Thomson West in downtown Rochester.

Users/StevenDibelius

StevenDibelius — 2006-08-17T20:35:21Z

Initial Revision.

Differences for Users/StevenDibelius

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
	+ 3rd year RIT Software Engineering student. Currently resides in the 19th ward. Currently is co-oping (interning) at Thomson West in downtown Rochester.