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2006-12-24 22:53:26 The parent looks like an advertisement. Should it be deleted? Modified? —EastSideStephen
2006-12-25 10:49:54 Well, see what you think. —RottenChester
2006-12-26 09:46:54 Looks good to me —EastSideStephen
2006-12-26 23:52:17 After Rotten's NPOV edit, I think the page is OK to keep. —AdamDewitz
2007-01-28 10:27:20 Gary, this is not a place to make inflated claims about your site. Your site consists of a couple of links about Rochester along with some ads. Most of the features that you've mentioned (movies, chat, email) are not implemented. The calendar is stale - it has a few events from November, 2006. We want to keep our entries factual and neutral. Your last edits are neither. —RottenChester
2007-01-28 11:11:22 RottenChester, TheCityofRochester.com is a community resource website for Rochester. Yes, the features I mentioned are not yet running, and you are right, RocWiki needs to be factual and neutral, but TheCityofRochester.com is not just another MDH pixel site. There is a soul, and there are very real goals to this website. I would appreciate if we can not water its meaning down, keep it real, neutral, and factual. I hope this last edit will meet your satisfaction. —GaryPalmerJr
2007-01-28 12:43:56 The page reads like a bad marketing pitch and needs clean-up. One suggestion: don't make an article for your own product or Web site. If the community believes your site/products bear the merit they deserve, the community will make those pages. By having the community write the page, the article is more likely to maintain a NPOV. — AdamDewitz
2007-01-28 13:45:35 There are almost 3,000 pages in this wiki. Three of them have generated real controversy: The D&C page, the Robert Duffy page, and this one. In the other two examples, the wiki community has decided that we value sticking to the facts and representing both sides of a controversy, if one exists. Unlike the D&C and Bob Duffy, there is no controversy over thecityofrochester.com, and the facts are pretty clear-cut. The claim that it is a "community resource" is false on its face. There are a few paragraphs about Rochester and a few links to Rochester-related sites, but the top third of every page is a clickable advertising map. It is an advertising site, not a community resource. The other claims made in the page are also false. It is not a "community meeting place" - there are no interactive features in the site. It is not an "excellent source of information" - there is more advertising than information. —RottenChester
2007-01-28 13:59:00 I am looking for the half-way point, I am not here to cause trouble, I am just attempting to do something good for my website and Rochester. Thanks. —GaryPalmerJr
2007-01-28 14:05:16 It's still dishonest. The goal of the site is to sell advertising. —RottenChester
2007-01-28 14:12:50 We have the Current Weather & 7-day forecast up and running, pulling data from NOAA onto TheCityofRochester.com. We have ALL the data for every other service we claim; we are only lacking the programmers to properly scope and complete the projects. We are going to excite people about Rochester. We will be giving ALL info on ALL movies in Rochester, reliable weather, and the ability to chat and have email under TheCityofRochester.com. It is going to be real cool. We are always looking for anyone who would like to help. —GaryPalmerJr
2007-01-28 14:17:13 I agree that business owners should not be editing their own pages. I can see owners putting in a comment, as long as they make it clear who they are. Perhaps it could be a stated policy that business owners should not edit their descriptions. A topic for the next wiki meeting maybe? —EastSideStephen
2007-01-28 18:28:08 Gary, would you rather have a neutral entry that doesn't pimp your site, or would you like what's there now, which refutes each of the specious claims you make? You choose. —RottenChester
2007-01-28 19:10:35 RottenChester, you can't count and you seem like a real Rochester jerk. My claims are not specious, but there is no way for anyone outside my business to know that. My original post shouldn't have sounded like an ad and should have been more neutral, still, I think there was not the need for RottenChester to become so vile. There is nothing like that one guy that represents the entire village. I love the sense of community and support we have for each other and our communities. Whatever. —GaryPalmerJr
2007-01-28 19:17:35 Gary, your claims are about a web site which is publicly accessible. Everyone outside your business can simply navigate to the site and assess the truth of your marketing pitch. So, though you claim that your site's goal is to show the beauty of Rochester, and to show what there is to see and do in Rochester, you have content like that listed below on your site. Hence, the term "specious".
Also, while we're on the subject of community, there are 3,000 pages in this wiki and you're one of the first to abuse the hospitality offered here by trying to use it as your personal advertising agency, and then call others names when they object to that.
Here's the text of the ten links:
IRS Free Online Filing!
Rosetta Stone
Concert Tickets
Sports Tickets
Tickets & Offers!
Letters From Santa Claus!
Post Your Resume
Order Boxes Online!
Identity Theft Prevention
Start a Freelance Career!
2007-01-28 19:25:10 RottenChester is right, the original post shouldn't have sounded like an ad; content has to be factual and neutral. —GaryPalmerJr
2007-01-28 19:38:16 Gary simplified r18. He seems to be OK with the current article text. Lets move on. —AdamDewitz
