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2005-12-04 13:41:59   Is there any interest in creating a price scale for restaurants? Some page have a general range, but something like a generic $, $$, or $$$ system to indicate a rough price range might be nice. $=10, $$=15-20, $$$=20+ per entree or meal? —JonRobins

2005-12-05 12:53:07   Sure. Couple of questions. First, location. Should we put it on the page for the restaurant, on the "category page" (e.g., "Mexican", "Upscale"), or both? Second, meaning: what does "per meal" mean: entree, salad, dessert without drinks? I think we need to be pretty clear on that. —RottenChester

2005-12-05 12:59:03   That's why we're talking about it, then- price range for "a meal" would be more informative but probably hard to judge- cheapskates like me getting an entree and a water, vs. someone doing an appetizer, a mixed drink, another beverage, an entree, and then dessert. The main reason I suggest it is that the current "upscale" and "cheap" pages aren't really that informative divisions. —JonRobins

2005-12-05 17:36:48   Check out Restaurant Price Guide. Does that get somewhere towards what you're thinking? It doesn't have to be permanent — just an idea to see what it looks like. —RottenChester

2005-12-06 12:00:13   Looks like a good start, but then there's the time-consuming issue of editing each restaurant page to reflect what category it's in... possibly more work than it's worth :0 —JonRobins

2006-07-05 11:59:25   A guideline or policy regarding putting opinions in restaurant write-ups would be nice. I would prefer to see opinion only in the Comments sections. —ShawnPorter

2006-07-06 15:20:58   I agree. Users should feel free to edit the content of the wiki. True, sometimes it's a fine line where something should go but for the most part the comments section should be for opinion. Stating, "the dining room has a feng zhu feel" could be either but really if the author knows feng zhu then it's probably fair to say it belongs up above. —RickUrwin

2006-07-17 12:09:14   Created a new page for helping people add more info into their restaurant pages. Hopefully this help spruce up those "yellow page" pages. Reviewing Restaurants —RickUrwin

2006-08-04 18:46:52   I started trying to clean up the hours to make them look uniform and professional (if possible)-also adding hours where not present. On my next day off of work or weekend I'll call some places to get hours —PeteB

2006-08-23 05:22:27   Can we maybe add an "American Food" category to this page? —BarbieJeanne

2006-11-16 20:11:05   I think a table of contents would be helpful for quickly accessing different sections. It might also be good to have broader categories within which there are different types of cuisines, for example "East Asian" for Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. —StevenDibelius

2006-11-17 20:39:28   How about this for a restaurant wiki page (from Davis, California's DavisWiki.org, the site whose software we use): http://www.daviswiki.org/Bistro_33 and http://www.daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk — just wild. I wonder if this is the right evolution of the wiki restaurant page? —BenMargolis

2007-01-14 13:00:34   This page is a freakling include mess. Can someone help clean this up for user ease? —FarMcKon

2007-03-12 10:13:57   yes, please clean up this page. Perhaps we should simply list cuisine categories, which, upon clicking, would lead to its own menu (as it does now). —RochesterGuy

2007-03-12 11:22:00   I like where you're going with it Rochesterguy. Is there any way we can take advantage of the table of contents macro? Since it looks like it anchors to headings, can we insert headings into the restaurant page while still keeping arcitecture of the restaurant page similar to what it is (with 3 headings, and each category as an embedded page). This question is directed to anyone with more coding skill than I. —EastSideStephen

2007-04-07 09:09:57   A suggestion: Perhaps consider stripping phone numbers off of the cuisine index pages ("Italian Food," "Chinses Food," etc.) since that information already exists on the business-level pages. I raise this issue only because it's easy to forget to make changes on other layers of pages when info — such as the phone number — for a business changes. Admittedly, it doesn't happen often, but it does happen from time to time. I've lived through the nightmare a few times at DemocratandChronicle.com in non-database-driven directories. Just a thought. —JohnMoriello

2007-04-07 13:36:15   I agree with John's comment to remove phone numbers. Addresses should also probably be removed. In a related note, I think that the same cleanup should be done on the Automobile Mechanics page. —StevenDibelius

2007-05-11 17:00:38   There's no link to Cibon on this page anywhere... what category should it go under? I've never eaten there but I noticed it was missing from this list even though there is a business-level page for it. —AdrienneDahler

2007-05-11 17:05:25   Also, there aren't any other cafés listed. Should we include a link to the Cafés page from the Restaurants page or is this something we want to keep completely separate? —AdrienneDahler

2007-06-04 14:39:40   "Beale Street should be listed under Pub and Continental" - sorry, continental? —ChristineLeo

2007-06-06 00:34:45   Would it be appropriate (and/or legal) to put quotes from newspaper reviews on our RocWiki pages?

Far too often, the D&C and other publications change their web links, breaking our links here.

At least a posting a summary or conclusion of a review would get the reviewer's opinion across, and I believe that's OK according to current copyright law. —NathanHenderson

2007-06-06 01:57:46   Including small, salient portions of a review for criticism or comment (of the review) is probably fair use, provided it is attributed and a link is maintained as long as possible.

That said, you're almost certainly safe if you create a narrative summary of what was said (eg. "Democrat & Chronicle food critic John Doe enjoyed the overall experience, but thought the steak was a little overdone. The cheesecake was, 'firm, moist and fresh,' which contributed greatly to his 4 out of 5 star review. (Democrat & Chronicle; January 32, 2700; pp. C12)").

This satisfies clauses 3 and 4 of of US Code Title 17, Chapter 1, Paragraph 107. —DaveMahon

2007-06-06 15:12:56   OK, I mentioned this on the Pubs/Talk page, but I figure we should chat about it here.

I think we still need a Pubs category, if only to list local Bar & Grill's that serve food. Not every location on the Bars page serves food, but those that do deserve to be listed under Restaurants. —NathanHenderson

2007-06-06 20:38:08   Also, it may have been prudent to make sure that the Restaurants listed under "Chain Restaurants" were in fact duplicated elsewhere before deleting the entire category. Some of those establishments are no longer listed at all on the Restaurants page. —NathanHenderson

2007-10-05 09:01:00   Listed under Diners is a section titled "Others", but it includes quite a few places that aren't diners. There seems to be a gap for restaurants that aren't really upscale but also aren't cheap/diners/etc. The one that sticks out is Hogans. Should there be a category page for "Casual"? I could also see a use for a "Burger Joint" page. We certainly have enough of them. —RichChiavaroli

2007-10-05 14:21:29   Here's the deal: if you think something is a good idea, just do it (tm). Create the page. If people hate it, you'll hear about it, but usually what happens is that others take your idea and change it in little ways to make it better.

So, don't be shy. If you want a pubs category, make it. If you want a casual category, go for it. Don't be intimidated — there's nothing to be scared of. —RottenChester

2007-10-05 14:39:20   Will do. Just trying to play nice in the sand box :) —RichChiavaroli

2008-07-25 21:09:16   I think we all agree with MrRochester's comment on AlexanderGartley's profile regarding the sheer mess that Restaurants has become. Fixing it will be a bit of a challenge, because most of the content is actually imported from other pages. That means that if a restaurant is missing from the main page, it's also missing from the category page.

Perhaps our kindly admins could run a query against the database for entries NOT LIKE %restaurant% AND LIKE %alcohol% to help reduce the data set of these poor orphaned pages (which may not show up on our Orphaned Pages list) that need checked?

Also, I occasionally rebalance the table for visual congruity, but have we reached the point where even this is inadequate? Do we just leave the page as a list and let people click through to find their preferred cuisine? —DaveMahon

2008-09-03 13:23:39   Re 2Taste.com - Just talked with Bill Klingensmith, now of MyDarndest.com. He was 2Taste.com, which dissolved due to business partnership issues. He may be willing to pull up the old data for some "data mining guru" to get some of it back into RocWiki. —BradMandell

2008-09-03 14:03:53   Here are the 2Taste that I pulled this afternoon, I don't know how many others may have been deleted previously: T P's - http://www.2taste.com/timothypatricks/||
KC Tea & Noodles ||http://www.2taste.com/kcteaandnoodle/||
Magnolias - ||http://www.2taste.com/magnolias/||
Golden Port - COMMENT: You can read my review of this restaurant on the http://write.2taste.com/archives/26 at the 2taste blog.RobinCass

—BradMandell

2008-09-10 16:37:41   Why dont you guys create templates? Ive never created a page, so perhaps Im speaking out my butt? But in the area where you create a page, the user could choose a template. You could offer a restaurant one, store one, golf course one, etc, etc. When someone chooses that template, the new place is automatically added to the overall restaurant, store, or golf course page. You wouldnt have to worry about modifying the pages later or adding the place to a list. The code would do that automatically for you. —MrRochester

2009-04-14 16:51:59   See Restaurants/Talk/RestAlc for wiki linked list of entries with Alchol but not Restaurant. I am not sure exactly what was hoped for from the list. See that page for further comment on the subject. —BradMandell

2009-05-02 10:39:18   it would be useful to have a map view of restaurants, so one can choose a restaurant based on location —DanetteFitzgerald

2009-06-06 16:10:28   I tried to add a page for restaurants that offer al fresco dining, but didn't have the skills to pull it off. I think this would be a nice addition. —MichaelBrisson

2009-06-06 18:49:24   Consider it done - Alfresco Dining is now created and partially populated. Help fill it in (:>) —BradMandell

2010-02-20 08:50:06   I am creating a Family Restaurants page to provide an alternative to the Diners list, which contains lots of places that are really not Diners - see also {"Diners/Talk"] for further discussion. —BradMandell

2010-05-21 10:19:54   There is a Rochester Downtown Restaurants page, but it is not linked to the main Restaurants page - I cannot edit that page - admin? —JackGreenky

2016-04-08 14:50:08   Can someone with access please replace the hyphen "-" in the first sentence with an em dash "—"? Thanks! —alexandergartley